Comments on: Brett in Hiding? http://bloggingblue.com/2009/07/06/brett-in-hiding/ Blogging Liberally in the Badger State Wed, 08 Feb 2012 05:28:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rabbit http://bloggingblue.com/2009/07/06/brett-in-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-12694 Rabbit Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:51:07 +0000 http://bloggingblue.com/?p=3859#comment-12694 Was the original tweet "racist" He## yes. Folks should just stop trying to soft shoe around it. (I cannot say whether Freds a "racist" or not, that's his battle. I AM saying the action, and more the excuse, where stupid) Are the posters racist? No, they're just lame. I see two problems here, lefties are jumping at a (supposedly) drug addled oops (you never blurt out something crazy after a few dozen beers?), and rightys are by there silence indirectly defending it. Was the original tweet “racist” He## yes. Folks should just stop trying to soft shoe around it. (I cannot say whether Freds a “racist” or not, that’s his battle. I AM saying the action, and more the excuse, where stupid)
Are the posters racist? No, they’re just lame.
I see two problems here, lefties are jumping at a (supposedly) drug addled oops (you never blurt out something crazy after a few dozen beers?), and rightys are by there silence indirectly defending it.

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]]> By: Zach W http://bloggingblue.com/2009/07/06/brett-in-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-12690 Zach W Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:30:14 +0000 http://bloggingblue.com/?p=3859#comment-12690 For what it's worth, I don't think the photos of Obama's head superimposed on Nazi propaganda posters is racist. Do I think it's juvenile and idiotic? Absolutely, but it's not racist, at least in my opinion. For what it’s worth, I don’t think the photos of Obama’s head superimposed on Nazi propaganda posters is racist. Do I think it’s juvenile and idiotic? Absolutely, but it’s not racist, at least in my opinion.

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]]> By: forgotmyscreenname http://bloggingblue.com/2009/07/06/brett-in-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-12679 forgotmyscreenname Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:02:10 +0000 http://bloggingblue.com/?p=3859#comment-12679 Obama as Hitler is not racist, but it makes about as much sense as the years and years of Bush as Hitler signs that somehow you chose to ignore. I guess that wasn't offensive because then it was trying to show how both Bush and Hitler loved to go to war. Or something like that. But now that it tries to link Obama and Hitler, ya know National SOCIALIST party and all, it is deemed racist bile. Gotta love the double standard. Obama as Hitler is not racist, but it makes about as much sense as the years and years of Bush as Hitler signs that somehow you chose to ignore. I guess that wasn’t offensive because then it was trying to show how both Bush and Hitler loved to go to war. Or something like that. But now that it tries to link Obama and Hitler, ya know National SOCIALIST party and all, it is deemed racist bile. Gotta love the double standard.

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]]> By: Cameron http://bloggingblue.com/2009/07/06/brett-in-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-12677 Cameron Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:52:02 +0000 http://bloggingblue.com/?p=3859#comment-12677 What Dooley wrote was very stupid and inappropriate. Racist? The undertones are certainly there, but are we racist for thinking that they exist? As for Healy? Perhaps he is taking the time to analyze what is going on to reach a logical decision rather than just giving Dooley the boot based on one very ill-advised and stupid tweet. As for the photos...did you notice the last 8 years and some of the deplorable things that they did with Bush's pictures? Try a google image search and just simply type George W. Bush and see what comes up. Lefties lecturing conservatives on this stuff is a bit hypocritical (those kooky liberals!). I remember on inauguration day when there was an inflatable George W. Bush figure that people were using as a target for shoes. That's the tolerant, enlightened, compassionate Democratic party? Get real. The photos Al posted are photos of a couple of nuts on the right wing. It's pretty stupid to superimpose any president's face, regardless of party or politics. Out of respect for the office, I do not think it is appropriate for people to do what Al posted. The same ought to apply to the other side as well. What Dooley wrote was very stupid and inappropriate. Racist? The undertones are certainly there, but are we racist for thinking that they exist? As for Healy? Perhaps he is taking the time to analyze what is going on to reach a logical decision rather than just giving Dooley the boot based on one very ill-advised and stupid tweet.

As for the photos…did you notice the last 8 years and some of the deplorable things that they did with Bush’s pictures? Try a google image search and just simply type George W. Bush and see what comes up. Lefties lecturing conservatives on this stuff is a bit hypocritical (those kooky liberals!). I remember on inauguration day when there was an inflatable George W. Bush figure that people were using as a target for shoes. That’s the tolerant, enlightened, compassionate Democratic party? Get real. The photos Al posted are photos of a couple of nuts on the right wing. It’s pretty stupid to superimpose any president’s face, regardless of party or politics. Out of respect for the office, I do not think it is appropriate for people to do what Al posted. The same ought to apply to the other side as well.

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]]> By: Rich http://bloggingblue.com/2009/07/06/brett-in-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-12675 Rich Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:38:25 +0000 http://bloggingblue.com/?p=3859#comment-12675 Zach, "It"'s not being ignored because it's being discussed here thanks to this site. PB, yes I too see nothing racist in what those Nazi-esque posters were alluding to. As for what is offensive and what isn't...the distinction for ME is the directness of the remark. Example: If GD, hell, b!tch, or Fu*K, etc... are used in general terms or at inanimate objects or are otherwise Not directed at anyone, then I (me alone) am not offended. I often talk like a sailor. No big deal in my book. i.e. my effn car needs new effen wipers...or, work is a b!tch. etc... That's just a lil added flair to a conversation. BUT when the derission is aimed at someone, or a group of someones, then I have a problem with it, but that's just me. But i bet lots of people would stay out of trouble if they acted similarly. The problem that I have with the remarks that we are discussing here is not only did they denigrate a specifc person and African Americans in general; but also that all bloggers (but especially conservative ones) have an opportunity to lead by taking the high road. And that opportunity was lost. Again. How sad.... But at the same time, I hope that there's always room for Friendly banter amoung worthy advisaries. So yes, it can be ambiguous, but that should not stop us from calling people out on their "jokes". I hope all you commies (lol) can agree :P Zach, “It”‘s not being ignored because it’s being discussed here thanks to this site.

PB, yes I too see nothing racist in what those Nazi-esque posters were alluding to.

As for what is offensive and what isn’t…the distinction for ME is the directness of the remark. Example: If GD, hell, b!tch, or Fu*K, etc… are used in general terms or at inanimate objects or are otherwise Not directed at anyone, then I (me alone) am not offended. I often talk like a sailor. No big deal in my book. i.e. my effn car needs new effen wipers…or, work is a b!tch. etc… That’s just a lil added flair to a conversation.

BUT when the derission is aimed at someone, or a group of someones, then I have a problem with it, but that’s just me. But i bet lots of people would stay out of trouble if they acted similarly.

The problem that I have with the remarks that we are discussing here is not only did they denigrate a specifc person and African Americans in general; but also that all bloggers (but especially conservative ones) have an opportunity to lead by taking the high road. And that opportunity was lost. Again. How sad….

But at the same time, I hope that there’s always room for Friendly banter amoung worthy advisaries. So yes, it can be ambiguous, but that should not stop us from calling people out on their “jokes”. I hope all you commies (lol) can agree :P

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]]> By: Cindy http://bloggingblue.com/2009/07/06/brett-in-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-12672 Cindy Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:00:13 +0000 http://bloggingblue.com/?p=3859#comment-12672 Well said, PartiallyBlue. Imposing the presidents face on a couple of posters from unpleasant regimes doesn't even come close to racism. Al, you might want to consider how you are diluting your argument by being so far off the mark. Well said, PartiallyBlue. Imposing the presidents face on a couple of posters from unpleasant regimes doesn’t even come close to racism.

Al, you might want to consider how you are diluting your argument by being so far off the mark.

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]]> By: PartiallyBlue http://bloggingblue.com/2009/07/06/brett-in-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-12665 PartiallyBlue Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:42:33 +0000 http://bloggingblue.com/?p=3859#comment-12665 Al, I do not see the photos as racist. Repugnant,yes. I see them also as protected by political free speech.I condemn them as an incompetent representation of Obama's leadership. I condemn them also as puerile propaganda.But I do not see them as racist. Al, I do not see the photos as racist. Repugnant,yes. I see them also as protected by political free speech.I condemn them as an incompetent representation of Obama’s leadership. I condemn them also as puerile propaganda.But I do not see them as racist.

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]]> By: PartiallyBlue http://bloggingblue.com/2009/07/06/brett-in-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-12664 PartiallyBlue Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:34:38 +0000 http://bloggingblue.com/?p=3859#comment-12664 Is it always racist when we refer to a stereotype in jest? I am struggling with this idea that if I joke about a stereotype that I am a racist. What is allowable? Can I use the word 'denigrate' in talking about a black man without somebody accusing me of racism? Can I laugh at minstrel show humor without looking over my shoulder? Can I point out that Pontiac cars appeared to emulate the shape of Japanese eyes in their headlight and front end design? Can I talk about Indian war hoops and counting coup without facing some Native American criticism? To be blind toward racial identities may be as cruel as exaggerating the trait and defaming a person because of their race,color,and religion. I think that I do not understand the boundaries on this anymore. To me there is a difference between humor intended to be funny and disguised humor intended to castigate and (here's that word again) denigrate others. Is it always racist when we refer to a stereotype in jest?

I am struggling with this idea that if I joke about a stereotype that I am a racist. What is allowable? Can I use the word ‘denigrate’ in talking about a black man without somebody accusing me of racism? Can I laugh at minstrel show humor without looking over my shoulder? Can I point out that Pontiac cars appeared to emulate the shape of Japanese eyes in their headlight and front end design? Can I talk about Indian war hoops and counting coup without facing some Native American criticism?

To be blind toward racial identities may be as cruel as exaggerating the trait and defaming a person because of their race,color,and religion.

I think that I do not understand the boundaries on this anymore. To me there is a difference between humor intended to be funny and disguised humor intended to castigate and (here’s that word again) denigrate others.

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]]> By: Zach W http://bloggingblue.com/2009/07/06/brett-in-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-12661 Zach W Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:58:48 +0000 http://bloggingblue.com/?p=3859#comment-12661 Cindy, I know you love to stir the pot, but if you honestly don't see the problem with what Fred said, then so be it. You're certainly entitled to hold your own opinions and beliefs, and if we disagree, then so be it. Cindy, I know you love to stir the pot, but if you honestly don’t see the problem with what Fred said, then so be it. You’re certainly entitled to hold your own opinions and beliefs, and if we disagree, then so be it.

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]]> By: Cindy http://bloggingblue.com/2009/07/06/brett-in-hiding/comment-page-1/#comment-12658 Cindy Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:18:47 +0000 http://bloggingblue.com/?p=3859#comment-12658 I'm sorry, Al. I'm not used to there being other writers on this blog. I'll try to be more careful. The words apply to me because it's all stuff I eat. Why would those words apply to other people? I have no reason to defend Fred Dooley. I'm just not sure railing against a doped blogger is going to get you anywhere. Ok, now I have to go see what Zach is upset about... I’m sorry, Al. I’m not used to there being other writers on this blog. I’ll try to be more careful.

The words apply to me because it’s all stuff I eat. Why would those words apply to other people?

I have no reason to defend Fred Dooley. I’m just not sure railing against a doped blogger is going to get you anywhere.

Ok, now I have to go see what Zach is upset about…

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