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		<title>By: Milwaukee Politics</title>
		<link>http://bloggingblue.com/2009/12/01/let-the-conspiracy-theories-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-16297</link>
		<dc:creator>Milwaukee Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enter the freeway era and in 1963, the Daniel Hoan (then called the Milwaukee Harbor) Bridge was officially added to the new Milwaukee freeway system and the Lake Freeway from downtown at the Park Freeway (East) southerly to Layton Ave, using the Hoan, was officially added to the planning maps in 1967. A future extension of the Lake Freeway south of Layton Ave through Racine and Kenosha Counties to the Illinois state line and a connection with a lakeshore freeway there were also proposed at the time. From the south end of the Hoan Bridge, the Lake Freeway was to have followed the Chicago &amp; North Western (now Union Pacific) Railroad.

http://www.wisconsinhighways.org/milwaukee/lake.html

http://www.wisconsinhighways.org/milwaukee/eastwest.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enter the freeway era and in 1963, the Daniel Hoan (then called the Milwaukee Harbor) Bridge was officially added to the new Milwaukee freeway system and the Lake Freeway from downtown at the Park Freeway (East) southerly to Layton Ave, using the Hoan, was officially added to the planning maps in 1967. A future extension of the Lake Freeway south of Layton Ave through Racine and Kenosha Counties to the Illinois state line and a connection with a lakeshore freeway there were also proposed at the time. From the south end of the Hoan Bridge, the Lake Freeway was to have followed the Chicago &amp; North Western (now Union Pacific) Railroad.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wisconsinhighways.org/milwaukee/lake.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wisconsinhighways.org/milwaukee/lake.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zach W</title>
		<link>http://bloggingblue.com/2009/12/01/let-the-conspiracy-theories-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-16285</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MP, trying to reason with Jeff is pointless, because nothing you say will make a dent.  He&#039;s going to believe what he wants, regardless of what you write, which seems to be par for the course from the folks at Right View Wisconsin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MP, trying to reason with Jeff is pointless, because nothing you say will make a dent.  He&#8217;s going to believe what he wants, regardless of what you write, which seems to be par for the course from the folks at Right View Wisconsin.
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		<title>By: Zach W</title>
		<link>http://bloggingblue.com/2009/12/01/let-the-conspiracy-theories-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-16284</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JeffN, I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll understand, but my blog is not the #1 priority in my life.  If my responses to you aren&#039;t quick enough for your liking, then that&#039;s tough...just learn to deal with it.

To answer your question about capper, I do read his blog, but I write about what I think is interesting, and in case you haven&#039;t been paying attention, I&#039;ve been writing about the Hoan Bridge and Supervisor Jursik for months.

As to your comments that I&#039;m either a hypocrite or an idiot, I&#039;ll just say that when you&#039;re ready to have an adult conversation free from name calling and insults, I&#039;ll be happy to re-engage you.  Until then, happy reading!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JeffN, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll understand, but my blog is not the #1 priority in my life.  If my responses to you aren&#8217;t quick enough for your liking, then that&#8217;s tough&#8230;just learn to deal with it.</p>
<p>To answer your question about capper, I do read his blog, but I write about what I think is interesting, and in case you haven&#8217;t been paying attention, I&#8217;ve been writing about the Hoan Bridge and Supervisor Jursik for months.</p>
<p>As to your comments that I&#8217;m either a hypocrite or an idiot, I&#8217;ll just say that when you&#8217;re ready to have an adult conversation free from name calling and insults, I&#8217;ll be happy to re-engage you.  Until then, happy reading!
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		<title>By: JeffN</title>
		<link>http://bloggingblue.com/2009/12/01/let-the-conspiracy-theories-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-16273</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milwaukee Politics - 

“In any event the Hoan must be torn down, the parkway from Pennsylvania Ave to the harbor would remain, there would just be a lowered bridge built in its stead, instead of a giant 6 lane bridge designed to handle thousands of cars a day, and designed with the intent of taking commuters from downtown to Racine and be yond to Chicago.”

First, if you learned how to write I would be able to read what you have.  Try cutting up your thoughts into smaller sentences to make it clear.

794 was looked at to just go through Milwaukee County as a way to get around Milwaukee better and faster.  

You do know what the three-digit 794 references right?

From my friend Randy
 
East - West (I-94) Interstate highways are even numbers while North - South are odd numbers (I-55) for the most part.
If the Interstate is three digits and is even (I-894) means it is a bi-pass the travels around city while three digits that are odd (I-794) are a bi-pass that travels through the major city. 

http://blogs.whitefishbaynow.com/way_i_see_it/archive/2008/02/18/tricks-amp-tips.aspx

Show us proof (website stating that)that it was to go to Racine and beyond to Chicago and again it would even if that was the case, been tens of thousands of cars not the “handle thousands of cars a day” you deem the freeway down to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milwaukee Politics &#8211; </p>
<p>“In any event the Hoan must be torn down, the parkway from Pennsylvania Ave to the harbor would remain, there would just be a lowered bridge built in its stead, instead of a giant 6 lane bridge designed to handle thousands of cars a day, and designed with the intent of taking commuters from downtown to Racine and be yond to Chicago.”</p>
<p>First, if you learned how to write I would be able to read what you have.  Try cutting up your thoughts into smaller sentences to make it clear.</p>
<p>794 was looked at to just go through Milwaukee County as a way to get around Milwaukee better and faster.  </p>
<p>You do know what the three-digit 794 references right?</p>
<p>From my friend Randy</p>
<p>East &#8211; West (I-94) Interstate highways are even numbers while North &#8211; South are odd numbers (I-55) for the most part.<br />
If the Interstate is three digits and is even (I-894) means it is a bi-pass the travels around city while three digits that are odd (I-794) are a bi-pass that travels through the major city. </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.whitefishbaynow.com/way_i_see_it/archive/2008/02/18/tricks-amp-tips.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.whitefishbaynow.com/way_i_see_it/archive/2008/02/18/tricks-amp-tips.aspx</a></p>
<p>Show us proof (website stating that)that it was to go to Racine and beyond to Chicago and again it would even if that was the case, been tens of thousands of cars not the “handle thousands of cars a day” you deem the freeway down to.
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		<title>By: Milwaukee Politics</title>
		<link>http://bloggingblue.com/2009/12/01/let-the-conspiracy-theories-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-16271</link>
		<dc:creator>Milwaukee Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff YOU are the one who is uninformed, the Hoan bridge was built as part of the failed Lake Freeway, which would have gone from Milwaukee to Racine and Chicago, that is why it is a 6 lane freeway, I was saying it is woefully underused.

The Parkway (WIS-794) that starts at carferry drive and ends at Pennsylvania Ave was only completed in 1999, after Carferery drive is here I-794 begins, and is the large 6 lane highway commonly known as the &quot;Hoan Bridge&quot;.

Also I was advocating tearing down the bridge, it appears your reading skills need to be refined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff YOU are the one who is uninformed, the Hoan bridge was built as part of the failed Lake Freeway, which would have gone from Milwaukee to Racine and Chicago, that is why it is a 6 lane freeway, I was saying it is woefully underused.</p>
<p>The Parkway (WIS-794) that starts at carferry drive and ends at Pennsylvania Ave was only completed in 1999, after Carferery drive is here I-794 begins, and is the large 6 lane highway commonly known as the &#8220;Hoan Bridge&#8221;.</p>
<p>Also I was advocating tearing down the bridge, it appears your reading skills need to be refined.
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		<title>By: JeffN</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zach, I knew you wouldn’t answer my questions.

Either they would expose you for being a hypocrite, you have no idea how to answer them since your fellow left liberal anti-road buddies didn’t tell you how to, or answering them will make you look like an idiot if you do it on your own.  You pick the one that fits!  

Zach another question you to which you most likely will not answer, did you come up with the conspiracy thing after reading Capper’s post on it?
http://cognidissidence.blogspot.com/2009/12/real-tax-and-spenders.html

County Supervisor Pat Jursik has been reading too many books about conspiracy theories, and now sees them everywhere.

Milwaukee Politics, you seem to be uninformed and shooting from the hip.

“In any event the Hoan must be torn down, the parkway from Pennsylvania Ave to the harbor would remain, there would just be a lowered bridge built in its stead, instead of a giant 6 lane bridge designed to handle thousands of cars a day, and designed with the intent of taking commuters from downtown to Racine and be yond to Chicago.”

The Hoan bridge doesn’t take people to Racine and be yond to Chicago.  That would be extending the park way to do that.

The Hoan bridge handles between 40-60,000 cars on average per day depending on whose numbers you go by not just thousands, but tens of thousands.

Just as those numbers to replace it after its 30 years of usefulness.  Some have $800 million some have billions.

The renovated bridge would be expected to carry traffic for another 30 years before its superstructure, the concrete support piers and steel girders, need replacement. Projecting the cost of replacing the Hoan around 2050 is difficult, but the DOT put the figure at $800 million.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/54419507.html

IT MUST BE TORN DOWN – Don’t even want to wait for the studies.  

If the metro Milwaukee came up with a novel idea that worked without mass transit, people would not laugh, but copy and implement it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach, I knew you wouldn’t answer my questions.</p>
<p>Either they would expose you for being a hypocrite, you have no idea how to answer them since your fellow left liberal anti-road buddies didn’t tell you how to, or answering them will make you look like an idiot if you do it on your own.  You pick the one that fits!  </p>
<p>Zach another question you to which you most likely will not answer, did you come up with the conspiracy thing after reading Capper’s post on it?<br />
<a href="http://cognidissidence.blogspot.com/2009/12/real-tax-and-spenders.html" rel="nofollow">http://cognidissidence.blogspot.com/2009/12/real-tax-and-spenders.html</a></p>
<p>County Supervisor Pat Jursik has been reading too many books about conspiracy theories, and now sees them everywhere.</p>
<p>Milwaukee Politics, you seem to be uninformed and shooting from the hip.</p>
<p>“In any event the Hoan must be torn down, the parkway from Pennsylvania Ave to the harbor would remain, there would just be a lowered bridge built in its stead, instead of a giant 6 lane bridge designed to handle thousands of cars a day, and designed with the intent of taking commuters from downtown to Racine and be yond to Chicago.”</p>
<p>The Hoan bridge doesn’t take people to Racine and be yond to Chicago.  That would be extending the park way to do that.</p>
<p>The Hoan bridge handles between 40-60,000 cars on average per day depending on whose numbers you go by not just thousands, but tens of thousands.</p>
<p>Just as those numbers to replace it after its 30 years of usefulness.  Some have $800 million some have billions.</p>
<p>The renovated bridge would be expected to carry traffic for another 30 years before its superstructure, the concrete support piers and steel girders, need replacement. Projecting the cost of replacing the Hoan around 2050 is difficult, but the DOT put the figure at $800 million.<br />
<a href="http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/54419507.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/54419507.html</a></p>
<p>IT MUST BE TORN DOWN – Don’t even want to wait for the studies.  </p>
<p>If the metro Milwaukee came up with a novel idea that worked without mass transit, people would not laugh, but copy and implement it.
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		<title>By: Milwaukee Politics</title>
		<link>http://bloggingblue.com/2009/12/01/let-the-conspiracy-theories-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-16265</link>
		<dc:creator>Milwaukee Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are there so many in Milwaukee who feel a major city does not need a mass transit system?  I suspect we would be the joke of the country, a city of 600,000 with our buses, that would be ridiculous.

 
In any event the Hoan must be torn down, the parkway from Pennsylvania Ave to the harbor would remain, there would just be a lowered bridge built in its stead, instead of a giant 6 lane bridge designed to handle thousands of cars a day, and designed with the intent of taking commuters from downtown to Racine and be yond to Chicago.

Tear down the Hoan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are there so many in Milwaukee who feel a major city does not need a mass transit system?  I suspect we would be the joke of the country, a city of 600,000 with our buses, that would be ridiculous.</p>
<p>In any event the Hoan must be torn down, the parkway from Pennsylvania Ave to the harbor would remain, there would just be a lowered bridge built in its stead, instead of a giant 6 lane bridge designed to handle thousands of cars a day, and designed with the intent of taking commuters from downtown to Racine and be yond to Chicago.</p>
<p>Tear down the Hoan!
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		<title>By: JeffN</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zach, please answer all the questions I asked.

No I am not advocating the government buying a car for each and every citizen who doesn’t have one.  Please reread what I said.

After you have reread it, start here!

First I am only saying let’s do a study.  It was not for every citizen who doesn’t have one.  See the problem you have Zach is you skim and interject what you think was said.  Time and time again, this has been found the case.

Now go back and reread what I said, since you most like didn’t do it or comprehended it!

Then ask questions.  I answer them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach, please answer all the questions I asked.</p>
<p>No I am not advocating the government buying a car for each and every citizen who doesn’t have one.  Please reread what I said.</p>
<p>After you have reread it, start here!</p>
<p>First I am only saying let’s do a study.  It was not for every citizen who doesn’t have one.  See the problem you have Zach is you skim and interject what you think was said.  Time and time again, this has been found the case.</p>
<p>Now go back and reread what I said, since you most like didn’t do it or comprehended it!</p>
<p>Then ask questions.  I answer them!
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		<title>By: Zach W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, let me get this straight...are you advocating for the government buying a car for each and every citizen who doesn&#039;t have one?  

Oh, and to answer your question regarding how safe I feel, I&#039;ve been given no reason to question the safety of the Hoan, so yes, I do feel safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, let me get this straight&#8230;are you advocating for the government buying a car for each and every citizen who doesn&#8217;t have one?  </p>
<p>Oh, and to answer your question regarding how safe I feel, I&#8217;ve been given no reason to question the safety of the Hoan, so yes, I do feel safe.
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		<title>By: JeffN</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zach you didn’t answer my questions!

Would it not be better for those without cars, to get them and not have to rely on buses?  It would give them more freedom, time and opportunities that they don’t have with buses.  They could get them between jobs, school or to daycare faster.

Novel idea, how about a study to scrap buses and give those in need of assistance monetarily, part of an allotment if they qualify instead of funding the buses and KRM?

The elderly, handicap and others in special needs could still get the van service door to door that is available today.

Keep those mechanics employed with the city/county to fix the cars on those who get the cars.

Make the cars need to use alterative fuel and make everyone in the state pay for car insurance.

This idea is Randy’s and Jay Weber’s I am using it, but have a bikes register and licensed like cars to help pay for the costs of the car insurance for those in true need!  Just think of the revenue stream and untapped money bike owners (which I am one) could bring to the table to offset costs.

How about those apples, can we do a study on it independently, not a state, county or city study, but a blind study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach you didn’t answer my questions!</p>
<p>Would it not be better for those without cars, to get them and not have to rely on buses?  It would give them more freedom, time and opportunities that they don’t have with buses.  They could get them between jobs, school or to daycare faster.</p>
<p>Novel idea, how about a study to scrap buses and give those in need of assistance monetarily, part of an allotment if they qualify instead of funding the buses and KRM?</p>
<p>The elderly, handicap and others in special needs could still get the van service door to door that is available today.</p>
<p>Keep those mechanics employed with the city/county to fix the cars on those who get the cars.</p>
<p>Make the cars need to use alterative fuel and make everyone in the state pay for car insurance.</p>
<p>This idea is Randy’s and Jay Weber’s I am using it, but have a bikes register and licensed like cars to help pay for the costs of the car insurance for those in true need!  Just think of the revenue stream and untapped money bike owners (which I am one) could bring to the table to offset costs.</p>
<p>How about those apples, can we do a study on it independently, not a state, county or city study, but a blind study.
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