19 thoughts on “Congressman Paul Ryan hates the Green Bay Packers”
WOW what a ignorant ad but then look who sponsored it. One little fact they forgot to mention that 60% of what the NFL makes actually goes to the players, but hey lets call successful businessmen GREEDY its just the way progressives like to keep America divided US vs THEM…..hateful hateful people progressives are and on top of it born liars, they just can’t help themselves ……just look for the union label…..when you think of it its the reason avoid unions these days, they are corrupt and dishonest and really they use unions members dues in a way that many people disagree, supporting progressives hatemongers.
I don’t think Paul Ryan hates the Packers, I just think he wants to root out the communists on the team. The problem is knowing who they are. Ryan should call his good friend Glenn Beck and ask him what he thinks. Beck can spot a communist when no one else can. In fact, Beck seems to see a lot of things no one else can. Hmmmmmmmm.
The place where this ad misses is in ripping Paul ryan as though he has consistent beliefs. The only consistency in Ryans beliefs is that he does whatever Wall st wants. If wall st thinks a steelers win would help raise the dow he would be front row dressed in his Mike Webster jersey and steelers are #1 foam finger…
Boy, what a stretch this is: Being in favor of representing the MAJORITY OF AMERICANS in desiring to repeal this god-awful bill commonly known as Obamacare and you are a Packer hater? You guys aren’t as clever as you think.
I’m willing to bet he’d hate the Packers organization if they mandated Wisconsinites to purchase tickets!
leaving aside the fact that the “majority of americans” want this bill repealed is just pure BS, Since when has Paul ryan every cared about the ‘Majority of Americans”?
With all due respect to Blue America and Crooks and Liars.com, they’ve asked the wrong question.
The question is not, ” Does Paul Ryan Hate the Green Bay Packers”?
The question is, ” Does Paul Ryan Love the Green Bay Packers”?
The owners of the NFL are threatening to close down the 2011 season, strictly in the interest of increased profits, to the detriment of the players and cities like Green Bay.
” Does Paul Ryan Love the Greeen Bay Packers “?
If he does he’ll sign the petition, and so will Jim Sensenbrenner, Tom Petri, Sean Duffy, Reid Ribble, Scott Walker, and every other elected and registered republican and democrat in Wisconson.
Pardon me, in Wisconsin.
The Salary Cap is essentially equal to 60% of Total Revenues and includes both player salaries and benefits, but the owners are greedy…..typical leftwing union bs.
typical leftwing union bs
It’s not an issue of ‘greedy left wingers’ – because I could say it’s a typical rich conservative white men wanting more money as well. After all, aren’t they ‘American’ with how they want to make money and expand their horizons by creating a monopoly on the NFL.
So let’s just get this straight — It’s the greedy owners period. Look at what happened with the MLB, I do not want that to happen to NFL on any circumstances what so ever.
A couple of things to note:
They already have a monopoly on the highest level professional football. Just as the NFLPA has a monopoly on NFL caliber talent.
The NFL has had the weakest union in professional sports, baseball the strongest. Is it a coincidence which league has had fewer work stoppages?
The contentious issues:
Rookie salary cap – an absolute no-brainer. If the players don’t want that, they’re morons. It’s insane to give guys who’ve never played a NFL snap guaranteed money of $40+ million when proven players don’t get that. A rookie cap necessarily means more money for veteran players which is a good thing for everyone – especially the overwhelming majority of the players the union represents.
18 game season – I don’t really care either way. I’m happy with 16 and don’t see a huge need to add more, but by the same means, pre-season is too long and the players are now in shape year-round, eliminating the major reason for it. It shouldn’t matter very much in revenues to teams like the Packers where pre-season sells out, but that’s not the case everywhere. It will mean a raise for the players of something like 12-16% because they get two more regular season paychecks. For the most part, that raise should actually offset a good chunk of the difference in the revenue sharing number especially the rank & file, average NFL player.
Revenue sharing – this is the biggie. Players currently get 59% of revenues. Owners want this to drop a little, players want it to go up. To be honest, more than anything else, this is about winning & losing. Sure it’s money, but both sides are making out incredibly lucratively and will continue to do so a few percentage points either way. Bottom line though, a work stoppage will hurt the millionaires who generally aren’t so good with budgeting their money much more and faster than the billionaires who for the most part, got that way by being good at budgeting their money.
In terms of the baseball comparison – there are a few things most people don’t realize. There are minimums in the NFL unlike MLB. This applies both to the league as a whole, and to individual teams. For the league as a whole, if revenues go up such that total player costs drop below 50%, the owners must pay out the difference. The inverse not true – there’s no payback if revenues drop. Presumably, at some point, we’ll see this and it’s a motivating factor for the owners. There’s also a minimum salary cap for individual teams. I believe, 90% before the CBA expired. While the minimum might might be a wash on salaries – with every team in the NFL typically spending within about 5% of each other vs. MLB where a number of teams spend as little as they possibly can (Pittsburgh, San Diego, etc) while the Yankees & Red Sox spend a ton more. But where it does make a huge difference is in parity – both actual and perceived. That translates pretty directly into fan support and ultimately, revenues.
The bottom line is that there’s clear evidence of what things work and what don’t. The hard cap the NFL has used and it’s revenue sharing model have worked much better than the model the MLB and NBA have used.
I have to say this: I do not like it when unions are abused like this. It looks bad on unions in general that work for civil rights and want to deal with injuries. But look at the teams who want to do this – they’re the richest of the bunch. Dallas Cowboys, Washington Redskins, New England Patriots — I could go on. They want to spread out more similar to what the New York Yankees and the Red Sox did. This is where I believe regulation should come in – we should regulate unions that get this ridiculously powerful. The NFL is a good system as it is now, because it focuses on the player’s injuries for the unions, but it also has regulations as well for all of them.
Unions still have their purpose – for injuries, for those hurt, for the people who would just spit on and pushed aside. However I realize some unions are not any better than some big businesses that they are trying to keep in line. This is also what I believe that should be brought into fixing our economy: Regulation. We wouldn’t have to raise taxes and we would stop spending as much as result. By mixing in that third option, we could get things under control and the NFL is a perfect example of that.
Notalib,
Could you translate please. I don’t speak Gibberish.
Sure Stevie, the translation is, you went to public school where your indoctrination by union teachers was successful, you are unable to understand basic math.
What’s it gonna be, Notalib? Are you with the players, the people of Green Bay and Packer fans across the state, or are you with the NFL owners? Time to take a stand!
I am fan of the Green Bay Packers, I don’t care how much the owners make, I don’t care how much the players make. All I care about a W and L, that is what a fan cares about.
They already play the 18 games so they might as well make them count, they sure act like its a real game for ticket prices. They would probably need to add to the roster. One thing that never made sense to me was the practice squad. They can do everything BUT play on sundays..how is that logical, just make them all part of the roster.
One thing the MLB players dont et is the minimum. A salary cap would also bring in a minimum which would not allow teams like the Pirates to have crazy small salaries. WHile it would hurt the Pujols of the game it would help 98% of the rest of the players.
The difference is most of the regulars don’t play in preseason so they do not get the punishment of a 18 game season, adding two is going to cut the average players career because of the added punishment. As a fan I would prefer a 18 game regular season but I sure can understand the concern of the players regarding injuries and their career and earning potential being cut short.
I get the concern for added risk of injury – I think it’s largely overblown, though there’s something to it. While you can argue it will shorten careers, to some degree it should increase their career earnings as well. Games aren’t the only thing that shortens careers – the turning of the calendar does as well. It’ll be more money each year and 8 seasons will earn them as much as 9 did before. I think it’s hard to support the claim that a 17th or 18th game will have a greater increase in major injury than in any other game. Do we see more injuries in the 17th and 18th games of the playoff teams?
All that said, I think a second bye might be worth considering. For Packer fans, these things probably give us an even bigger homefield advantage. Extending the season 3 weeks means more games late in the year. More warm-weather teams will have to play the Packers in the cold.
If I’m a player, the most important thing I’d push for is for the league to continue the improvements they’ve made in player safety. The progress they’ve made in recent years, especially with regard to concussions has been tremendous. I’d be cynical that it was ramped up because of the CBA ending. I’m not quite sure how you force an agreement to improvement. It’s hard to identify specific things ahead of time, but some way to maintain the commitment would do more to improve the lives of players in the long run than anything else. Well that’s not quite true – Gene Upshaw no longer head of the NFLPA was an even more beneficial change.
WOW what a ignorant ad but then look who sponsored it. One little fact they forgot to mention that 60% of what the NFL makes actually goes to the players, but hey lets call successful businessmen GREEDY its just the way progressives like to keep America divided US vs THEM…..hateful hateful people progressives are and on top of it born liars, they just can’t help themselves ……just look for the union label…..when you think of it its the reason avoid unions these days, they are corrupt and dishonest and really they use unions members dues in a way that many people disagree, supporting progressives hatemongers.
I don’t think Paul Ryan hates the Packers, I just think he wants to root out the communists on the team. The problem is knowing who they are. Ryan should call his good friend Glenn Beck and ask him what he thinks. Beck can spot a communist when no one else can. In fact, Beck seems to see a lot of things no one else can. Hmmmmmmmm.
The place where this ad misses is in ripping Paul ryan as though he has consistent beliefs. The only consistency in Ryans beliefs is that he does whatever Wall st wants. If wall st thinks a steelers win would help raise the dow he would be front row dressed in his Mike Webster jersey and steelers are #1 foam finger…
Boy, what a stretch this is: Being in favor of representing the MAJORITY OF AMERICANS in desiring to repeal this god-awful bill commonly known as Obamacare and you are a Packer hater? You guys aren’t as clever as you think.
I’m willing to bet he’d hate the Packers organization if they mandated Wisconsinites to purchase tickets!
leaving aside the fact that the “majority of americans” want this bill repealed is just pure BS, Since when has Paul ryan every cared about the ‘Majority of Americans”?
With all due respect to Blue America and Crooks and Liars.com, they’ve asked the wrong question.
The question is not, ” Does Paul Ryan Hate the Green Bay Packers”?
The question is, ” Does Paul Ryan Love the Green Bay Packers”?
If he does he’ll click on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdmUdS8TLhg and give it a look.
And then he’ll go to http://savenextseason.com/ and sign the petition.
The owners of the NFL are threatening to close down the 2011 season, strictly in the interest of increased profits, to the detriment of the players and cities like Green Bay.
” Does Paul Ryan Love the Greeen Bay Packers “?
If he does he’ll sign the petition, and so will Jim Sensenbrenner, Tom Petri, Sean Duffy, Reid Ribble, Scott Walker, and every other elected and registered republican and democrat in Wisconson.
Pardon me, in Wisconsin.
The Salary Cap is essentially equal to 60% of Total Revenues and includes both player salaries and benefits, but the owners are greedy…..typical leftwing union bs.
It’s not an issue of ‘greedy left wingers’ – because I could say it’s a typical rich conservative white men wanting more money as well. After all, aren’t they ‘American’ with how they want to make money and expand their horizons by creating a monopoly on the NFL.
So let’s just get this straight — It’s the greedy owners period. Look at what happened with the MLB, I do not want that to happen to NFL on any circumstances what so ever.
A couple of things to note:
They already have a monopoly on the highest level professional football. Just as the NFLPA has a monopoly on NFL caliber talent.
The NFL has had the weakest union in professional sports, baseball the strongest. Is it a coincidence which league has had fewer work stoppages?
The contentious issues:
Rookie salary cap – an absolute no-brainer. If the players don’t want that, they’re morons. It’s insane to give guys who’ve never played a NFL snap guaranteed money of $40+ million when proven players don’t get that. A rookie cap necessarily means more money for veteran players which is a good thing for everyone – especially the overwhelming majority of the players the union represents.
18 game season – I don’t really care either way. I’m happy with 16 and don’t see a huge need to add more, but by the same means, pre-season is too long and the players are now in shape year-round, eliminating the major reason for it. It shouldn’t matter very much in revenues to teams like the Packers where pre-season sells out, but that’s not the case everywhere. It will mean a raise for the players of something like 12-16% because they get two more regular season paychecks. For the most part, that raise should actually offset a good chunk of the difference in the revenue sharing number especially the rank & file, average NFL player.
Revenue sharing – this is the biggie. Players currently get 59% of revenues. Owners want this to drop a little, players want it to go up. To be honest, more than anything else, this is about winning & losing. Sure it’s money, but both sides are making out incredibly lucratively and will continue to do so a few percentage points either way. Bottom line though, a work stoppage will hurt the millionaires who generally aren’t so good with budgeting their money much more and faster than the billionaires who for the most part, got that way by being good at budgeting their money.
In terms of the baseball comparison – there are a few things most people don’t realize. There are minimums in the NFL unlike MLB. This applies both to the league as a whole, and to individual teams. For the league as a whole, if revenues go up such that total player costs drop below 50%, the owners must pay out the difference. The inverse not true – there’s no payback if revenues drop. Presumably, at some point, we’ll see this and it’s a motivating factor for the owners. There’s also a minimum salary cap for individual teams. I believe, 90% before the CBA expired. While the minimum might might be a wash on salaries – with every team in the NFL typically spending within about 5% of each other vs. MLB where a number of teams spend as little as they possibly can (Pittsburgh, San Diego, etc) while the Yankees & Red Sox spend a ton more. But where it does make a huge difference is in parity – both actual and perceived. That translates pretty directly into fan support and ultimately, revenues.
The bottom line is that there’s clear evidence of what things work and what don’t. The hard cap the NFL has used and it’s revenue sharing model have worked much better than the model the MLB and NBA have used.
I have to say this: I do not like it when unions are abused like this. It looks bad on unions in general that work for civil rights and want to deal with injuries. But look at the teams who want to do this – they’re the richest of the bunch. Dallas Cowboys, Washington Redskins, New England Patriots — I could go on. They want to spread out more similar to what the New York Yankees and the Red Sox did. This is where I believe regulation should come in – we should regulate unions that get this ridiculously powerful. The NFL is a good system as it is now, because it focuses on the player’s injuries for the unions, but it also has regulations as well for all of them.
Unions still have their purpose – for injuries, for those hurt, for the people who would just spit on and pushed aside. However I realize some unions are not any better than some big businesses that they are trying to keep in line. This is also what I believe that should be brought into fixing our economy: Regulation. We wouldn’t have to raise taxes and we would stop spending as much as result. By mixing in that third option, we could get things under control and the NFL is a perfect example of that.
Notalib,
Could you translate please. I don’t speak Gibberish.
Sure Stevie, the translation is, you went to public school where your indoctrination by union teachers was successful, you are unable to understand basic math.
What’s it gonna be, Notalib? Are you with the players, the people of Green Bay and Packer fans across the state, or are you with the NFL owners? Time to take a stand!
I am fan of the Green Bay Packers, I don’t care how much the owners make, I don’t care how much the players make. All I care about a W and L, that is what a fan cares about.
They already play the 18 games so they might as well make them count, they sure act like its a real game for ticket prices. They would probably need to add to the roster. One thing that never made sense to me was the practice squad. They can do everything BUT play on sundays..how is that logical, just make them all part of the roster.
One thing the MLB players dont et is the minimum. A salary cap would also bring in a minimum which would not allow teams like the Pirates to have crazy small salaries. WHile it would hurt the Pujols of the game it would help 98% of the rest of the players.
The difference is most of the regulars don’t play in preseason so they do not get the punishment of a 18 game season, adding two is going to cut the average players career because of the added punishment. As a fan I would prefer a 18 game regular season but I sure can understand the concern of the players regarding injuries and their career and earning potential being cut short.
I get the concern for added risk of injury – I think it’s largely overblown, though there’s something to it. While you can argue it will shorten careers, to some degree it should increase their career earnings as well. Games aren’t the only thing that shortens careers – the turning of the calendar does as well. It’ll be more money each year and 8 seasons will earn them as much as 9 did before. I think it’s hard to support the claim that a 17th or 18th game will have a greater increase in major injury than in any other game. Do we see more injuries in the 17th and 18th games of the playoff teams?
All that said, I think a second bye might be worth considering. For Packer fans, these things probably give us an even bigger homefield advantage. Extending the season 3 weeks means more games late in the year. More warm-weather teams will have to play the Packers in the cold.
If I’m a player, the most important thing I’d push for is for the league to continue the improvements they’ve made in player safety. The progress they’ve made in recent years, especially with regard to concussions has been tremendous. I’d be cynical that it was ramped up because of the CBA ending. I’m not quite sure how you force an agreement to improvement. It’s hard to identify specific things ahead of time, but some way to maintain the commitment would do more to improve the lives of players in the long run than anything else. Well that’s not quite true – Gene Upshaw no longer head of the NFLPA was an even more beneficial change.