“If any man tells you he loves America, yet hates labor, he is a liar. If any man tells you he trusts America, yet fears labor, he is a fool.” – Abraham Lincoln

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  1. Locke says:

    Was FDR also a wise man?

    “The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service,” Roosevelt wrote in 1937 to the National Federation of Federal Employees. Yes, public workers may demand fair treatment, wrote Roosevelt. But, he wrote, “I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place” in the public sector. “A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government.”

    • Zach says:

      FDR was referring to strikes by public employees, which is illegal here in Wisconsin. By law public employees cannot strike.

      • forgotmyscreenname says:

        If what some teachers have been doing last week doesn’t constitute a strike, then what is it?

        Also, how many public employee unions were around when Lincoln made this statement? He said “labor,” not “labor unions.” If “dead white guys” can’t be used to justify why federal health care was an overreach, how can you use one now to support unions?

      • Anon says:

        When the other side isn’t playing fair then I say go on strike whether it’s illegal or not.

        • Anon says:

          …whether it’s legal or not.

        • forgotmyscreenname says:

          What exactly isn’t fair? Just because it’s a bill you don’t like you take your ball and go home.

          • Anon says:

            This is a bill the majority doesn’t like or want hence the huge number of protesters at the Capitol this past week. New polls show the majority does not support Walker. Just because the nutty TEA Party wants to bust up unions doesn’t mean they will be successful. Unions will fight…be sure of that. Walker and the R Senators don’t want to negotiate then they will have to deal with the backlash.

          • Anon says:

            forgot…do you support the busting up of unions even-though they agree to all of the concessions?

  2. I love the right wing jumping on FDR’s saying this, he also raised cap gains taxes to 91%….if they want to hold up FDR lets go full bore FDR!

    • forgotmyscreenname says:

      Alternatively, if you don’t go “full bore” on his unions statement, are you saying he was wrong about the cap gains tax too? Works both ways.

    • Locke says:

      I love that Zach posting a quote from a President to follow Zach’s quote from a President gets me called right wing. Quoting FDR makes you right wing. That’s a hell of an interesting standard. 🙂

      Guess I should be thankful – it’s better than be called a “vile human being” or a “despicable human being” so I guess that’s something.

      • sorry Locke, I meant no disrespect. It has been a long week and I cant tell you how many of my right wing friends have sent that quote to me. I honestly thought I was replying to forgot(who i think would take pride in being called right wing).

  3. The_Rooster says:

    “If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions.” -Thomas Jefferson

  4. This should all stop now, and it could if 4-5 republican senators would speak up and say that they’re not going to vote on Walkers bill until it’s had one months worth of public hearings around the state. The legislature can grant Governor Walker another month extension to produce a budget, given the unusual circumstances.

    This is the reasonable, common sense thing to do, and Wisconsin desperataely needs someone to step up right now and be both reasonable and commonsensical.

    Senators Ellis, Darling, Kapanke, Harsdorf, Cowles, and others, it’s up to you. You have the power to diffuse this situation. You have the power to prevent this from turning one Wisconsinite against another for a long, long time to come.

    Give this bill a public hearing. It’s the right thing to do. You know it is. The whole country is watching. Make us proud to be Badgers. Come forward and speak up. The people of Wisconsin need you.

  5. Actually it really and truly didnt forgot. They cut off debate, not everyone got to speak, and they only made it available to speak for some long before people had a chance to read the 144 page bill

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