Ammo Clips for Christmas Steve CarlsonDecember 25, 2012 Guns & Gun Control, Insanity 51 Comments In the 12 days since the Sandy Hook elementary school massacre in Newtown, CT, sales of ammunition clips for the AR-15, the rifle used by Newtown shooter Adam Lanza, have skyrocketed. Merry Christmas, NRA! ← South Korea Elects a Woman President When Gun Control Supporters Go Too Far! → 51 thoughts on “Ammo Clips for Christmas” John Casper December 25, 2012 at 11:42 am Thanks Steve. Heartily recommend the Twitter hash tag #NRAChristmasSongs Excellent satire. Reply Smokey December 25, 2012 at 12:44 pm Well, at least those of us who know anything about guns… know that what you are referring to are magazines…not clips…. what else are you getting wrong ??? Reply Steve Carlson December 25, 2012 at 2:51 pm Thanks for the distinction Smokey. Excellent contribution to the discussion. Reply Rich December 25, 2012 at 5:48 pm For those who answered the dog whistle call by LaPierre to dismiss out of hand any opinion that is not semantically correct, I refer you to Lawrence O\’Donnell\’s monologue from Friday. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/22/lawrence-odonnell-nra-lapierre_n_2349965.html?utm_hp_ref=media Reply madisonspock December 25, 2012 at 2:29 pm Both Clips and Magazines exist. http://www.minutemanreview.com/2008/09/clip-vs-magazine-lesson-in-firearm.html I assume Smokey is correct. This site and the contributors on it are extremely ignorant about weaponry. I wonder if there is a study that attempts to correlate ignorance of weaponry with a negative view of them. Reply Steve Carlson December 25, 2012 at 2:52 pm See Smokey comment above. Reply John Casper December 25, 2012 at 3:25 pm \”weaponry?\” A sling shot is a \”weapon.\” It\’s not a firearm. I wonder if there is a study that attempts to correlate ignorance of firearms with their misuse. Reply Steve Carlson December 25, 2012 at 3:37 pm I can see the headline in \” The Liberal News\” now. \”Outraged gun advocate mistakes weapons for firearms. Nation Stunned. \” Reply madisonspock December 25, 2012 at 8:27 pm I suspect that all forms of weaponry will eventually become \”problems\” that need to be regulated. You do not realize how far the extremists will go…. Reply Steve Carlson December 25, 2012 at 8:53 pm Then you better start hoarding slingshots. Reply John Casper December 25, 2012 at 9:00 pm madtownspock, if you\’re consistently against job-killing-government-regulations, are you against the prohibition of marijuana? Reply Patrick January 27, 2013 at 12:54 am “I wonder if there is a study that attempts to correlate ignorance of weaponry with a negative view of them.” OK. I really can’t resist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaV629VZzzA I wonder if there is a study that attempts to correlate ignorance of weaponry with enthusiasm for them. 😉 Reply Peter Bishop December 25, 2012 at 2:45 pm When government becomes the biggest threat to your freedom you do what you must to protect your family and your rights. Reply John Casper December 25, 2012 at 3:18 pm Peter, if the NRA had not ignored the responsibilities of gun and ammo ownership, to pursue the profit from selling them, the rights would not be under such attack. Reply Steve Carlson December 25, 2012 at 3:24 pm You\’re paranoid Peter. Your family is in no danger from the government. Reply Rich December 25, 2012 at 5:43 pm If \”fear of tyranny\” was a real thing, then where was the armed rebellion after the passage of the Patriot Act? I rest my case. Reply John Casper December 25, 2012 at 5:53 pm Bullseye. Reply independent guy December 26, 2012 at 8:54 am The NRA was founded in 1871. Whose charter is to advocate for the protection of the Second Amendment of the United States Bill of Rights, and the promotion of firearm ownership, marksmanship, safety, hunting, and self-defense in the United States. That has not changed. The rants here at BB about the NRA, its leadership and membership is unfounded. Energy spent spent attacking a group that is on the side of law and order is counter productive. As previously mentioned here at BB, the cycle of failure is anti-gunners go after legal- gunners, who intern defend themselves. Meanwhile, crime and criminals go unchecked. Lastly, IF any restrictions, registrations and so forth that are being bantered around would have positive effect, even a very small effect on crime and criminals, gun violence, etc. there are an aweful lot of NRA members that would jump ship. But they know that taking action against law abiding citizens will do nothing to address crime, criminals or gun violence. Close the gun show loop hole. Secure our schools. Begin to deal with the contributing societal factors. Reply Steve Carlson December 26, 2012 at 10:05 am IG, UCLA law professor Adam Winkler disagrees with you. According to his research for his book \”Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America\” the NRA was founded because its founders felt union soldiers were poor marksmen, which led to a prolonged civil war. Winkler claims that early on the NRA paid almost no attention to the 2nd Amendment and actually promoted gun control. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-winkler/when-the-nra-promoted-gun_b_992043.html Reply independent guy December 26, 2012 at 11:22 am Interesting read and Mr. Winkler is an interesting fellow, law professor, criminal defense attorney and author. I do not contest his claim as to the reason the NRA was founded. My comment summarized the groups charter. I have not yet read his book which is fairly recent. I have breezed through a link within the attached article, National Firearms Act 1934 which the NRA supported, where among other things Thompson machine guns (fully automatic) and the like were addressed. This was shortly after alcohol prohibition where gansters like Capone, Bonnie and Clyde, etc. used weapons such as these. btw – I can purchase a Thompson machine gun if I jump through enough hoops and cough up more than $20,000. Perhaps the NRA did not feel as though the 2nd amendment was under fire back in the early days. It appears that in about 1968 the NRA membership had a change of heart. Not sure why, but, can speculate in that year both Robert Kennedy and MLK were assassinated. My personal belief is that civility in America died with MLK. He was a great man and a great American who was making a difference and sadly we will never know what could have been. Regarding one of the current topics, AR-15\’s and similar, sure let\’s go ahead and regulate them, register them, ban them or whatever. Reality is that there are thousands and thousands of them legally possessed in America and many more under ground/black market. This genie is out of the bottle. I don\’t have a crystal ball but do not believe that banning and/or regulating will deter crime/shootings simply because they are and will be available one way or another. Energies spent elsewhere would be more productive. I could be wrong about some things and time will tell, but, meanwhile, can we secure schools as a meaningful first step? None of us wanted airport security, but, it works. Thanks for the reply and the information. Reply Steve Carlson December 26, 2012 at 11:53 am IG, Where\’s the evidence that \”securing\” schools works? Reply independent guy December 26, 2012 at 1:46 pm Evidence such data, studies, etc.? I have none and do not know if it exists since armed secure schools are the exception vs. the rule currently. Securing schools is an intuitively obvious polential solution to me. Not saying it is the best or the only, but it should be on the table. Reply John Casper December 26, 2012 at 1:54 pm ig, what about securing school buses? Should that be \”on the table?\” \”Dirty Harry – Bus Hijack \” Reply independent guy December 26, 2012 at 2:06 pm Not opposed to such a thing, but also not aware that it has been an issue. It is one thing to secure a school of say 1000 kids and quite another to secure the fleet of buses that may haul them. Implementing bus security may be totally differnt than school security and is worth consideration. Sure, put that on the table. Reply John Casper December 26, 2012 at 2:38 pm ig, what about Kevlar for each student, while they wait at the bus stop? Should that be \”on the table\” too? Reply John Casper December 26, 2012 at 10:32 am ig, AFAIK, the NRA has always vigorously defended the statute, aka, \”the gun show loop hole.\” That\’s another reason we know they\’re a wholly-owned subsidiary of gun and ammo manufacturers/dealers. Are you down with Barbara Boxer, \”put the National Guard in all our schools? http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-sen-boxer-national-guard-schools-20121219,0,7530900.story WRT societal factors, why does the NRA not support legislation to legalize marijuana? I would never encourage anyone to use it, but the prohibition against it is a textbook example of \”job-killing-government-regulations.\” WRT societal factors, why does the NRA not support US-made firearms and US-made ammo? Here\’s the Second Amendment: \”A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.\” As long as the NRA continues to mobilize against the \”well regulated\” part of the Second Amendment, they take responsibility for all the nuts who get their hands on firearms. If the NRA wants to begin defending the Second Amendment, they have to make the case for Posse Comitatus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act Billy the Kid fought with the Regulators in the Lincoln County War. They were defeated by the state controlled monopoly, who controlled local law enforcement and brought in FEDERAL troops to defeat the Regulators. Johnson County War was more of the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_County_War The oligopoly of huge cattle owners used FEDERAL troops to cover them after the thugs they brought up from Texas couldn\’t kill all the small business owners. Eisenhower used the 101st Airborne to integrate Little Rock Central High School in 1957, but it was not in support of any monopoly or oligopoly. It was to fight white supremacists, who had taken over local government. If the NRA was paying attention to anything except selling more guns and ammo, it would notice that LOCAL police forces were being \”Federalized.\” When folks demonstrated, peacefully, against NATO in Chicago, they got arrested from police forces from across the country. That included MPD. AFAIK, Milwaukee County taxpayers have also paid to send MPD units to Pittsburgh. The elites always use law enforcment to break unions. Jay Gould: \”I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.\” http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jay_Gould If the NRA wants to regain its standing with the public, let them fight for the AUTONOMY of LOCAL law enforcement and quit taking dollar one from guns and ammo manufacturers/dealers. Reply independent guy December 26, 2012 at 11:52 am I agree, the loop holes should be closed. If I buy a new firearm I go through the FBI background check process. If I buy one at a gun show, pawn shop or person to person from someone who does not have a FFL (federal firearms license) I don\’t. Boxer\’s suggestion/proposal is worth strong consideration and I hope it is pursed. I don\’t think anyone really WANTS security guns in schools, but, due to circumstances I think that is where we are at. The issue(s) are complex and I tend to separate and deal with individual threads rather than the whole ball of string. Knowing that some threads are related, thus, complex and requiring careful consideration. Though we do not all agree with all of the NRA\’s positions we should not take our eye off the ball. Other meaningful and productive methods and steps are available certainly with respect to school safety. Reply Steve Carlson December 26, 2012 at 11:57 am IG, Maybe this program should go national immediately? http://www.northjersey.com/news/184313011_Montclair_launching_gun_buy_back_program__will_donate__10k_to_Newtown.html Reply independent guy December 26, 2012 at 1:57 pm Agreed. This is one of the many facets to this issue. A buy back program will get guns that are an accident waiting to happen out of potential circulation or theft. Not all but some. The other thing it does, or better said does not do is infringe upon others. It\’s low hanging fruit, has some overhead, admin and money involved, but low hanging fruit nonetheless. I like it. Reply Steve Carlson December 26, 2012 at 3:07 pm IG, Good to find point of agreement. Thanks. Reply Gareth December 26, 2012 at 9:48 am The nice thing about the AR-15 is that it has a tendency to jam. This gives shoppers or school children a window of opportunity to escape or bum-rush the gun nut. Reply Peter Bishop December 26, 2012 at 10:21 am It\’s just amazing because someone owns a gun they are considered a nut. Reply Steve Carlson December 26, 2012 at 10:29 am Peter, It isn\’t because you own a gun. It\’s the content of your comments. Reply John Casper December 26, 2012 at 10:37 am Peter, how many firearms do you own? What kind are they? How are they stored? Where are they stored? Where were they manufactured? How much ammo do you have for each one? How do you store it? How old is it? Where was it manufactured? When did you last fire each firearm? When did you last clean each firearm? Reply Peter Bishop December 26, 2012 at 12:23 pm How many firearms do you own? 15 What kind are they? Wide Variety How are they stored? Some are locked away in a gun vault, some are openly displayed and some are placed where anyone who comes into my home will learn a very quick lesson it was a mistake Where are they stored? Answered above Where were they manufactured? Various countries How much ammo do you have for each one? Enough How do you store it? as needed How old is it? varies Where was it manufactured? some store bought some personal When did you last fire each firearm? I rotate on a monthly basis When did you last clean each firearm? Again its rotated and now my grandkids are learning how to clean grandpas guns once the are successful at properly handling a gun they will learn how to properly shoot and defend themselves. Reply John Casper December 26, 2012 at 12:43 pm How old are Grand Pa\’s kids when you let them start cleaning your guns? Reply Peter Bishop December 26, 2012 at 5:28 pm Is their an age requirement John? Reply John Casper December 26, 2012 at 8:24 pm You tell me. Reply Peter Bishop December 26, 2012 at 9:18 pm Lets just say they are old enough to understand John. Reply John Casper December 26, 2012 at 9:35 pm That Gram Pa\’s too lazy to clean his own guns? Reply Peter Bishop December 26, 2012 at 10:21 pm Nope that I take the time to properly teach them about guns, gun safety and respect of the weapons. Twist however you like John that is your right but I have been handling guns since I was 6, I put down my first dog on the farm at the age of nine, sadly my grandkids are unable to learn life lessons like that today Reply John Casper December 26, 2012 at 10:24 pm What kind of farm? Reply Peter Bishop December 27, 2012 at 8:23 am Live in Wisconsin I will let you figure that one out Reply John Casper December 27, 2012 at 8:31 am Peter, if you had really grown up on a farm, I doubt you\’d be so unwilling to talk about it. Wisconsin has a wide variety of farms. Even among dairy farms, however, there is a lot of variety. You apparently don\’t know anything about farming, or guns/ammo. What kind of dog? Why did you have to \”put it down?\” How old was it when you \”put it down?\” Duane12 December 26, 2012 at 5:06 pm Here is another interesting or should I say confusing development on identifying the good guys from the bad guys. \”A Newspaper Publishes Names of Gun Permit Holders…\” at http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/26/a-newspaper-publishes-names-of-gun-permit-holders-sparking-outrage/?hp Damn it! Is my neighbor a typical NRA paranoid member or is he a legitimate nut job who purchased his WMD without a background check at a gun show? Maybe I\’\’d better get a permit and buy an AK47 \”sport\” gun just to be on the safe side. If he continues to cut the lawn on my side of the lot line, I\’ll TAKE him out. Better safe than sorry according to the \”castle doctrine.\” Reply John Casper December 26, 2012 at 5:15 pm Duane, ok, but you forgot the best part. How many take their \”Special Needs,\” kids, who are normally locked in the basement, to the firing range? Reply Peter Bishop December 27, 2012 at 8:29 am John Casper December 26, 2012 at 5:15 pm · Reply Duane, ok, but you forgot the best part. How many take their ”Special Needs,” kids, who are normally locked in the basement, to the firing range? This is offensive it sad the owner of this blog allows it considering what the blog owner has said in the past. But even if he does not care I have a autistic grandson and I do not appreciate it one bit, the accusation made in that post, it\’s not funny, it\’s not cute, it\’s just outright offensive. Reply John Casper December 27, 2012 at 8:38 am Oh Peter, are your feelings hurt? Please, what about my comment did you find offensive? I had no idea you had an autistic grandson, at what age was he when you had him start cleaning your guns? Do you let him have access to the ammo too? Have you taught him how to shoot? How old was he when first diagnosed as autistic? What are his symptoms? What actions/efforts are you taking to help him? Is there a history of autism in your family? Reply Steve Carlson December 27, 2012 at 8:34 am I\’d like to ask both Peter and John to take a moment and let this go for a day. An odd request from me, perhaps, but there you have it. Reply Peter Bishop December 27, 2012 at 9:40 am I plan to Steve I know he is just baiting me and this is going no where Reply Pingback: Blogging Blue | Dems to introduce high capacity magazine bill Leave a Reply Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email.