18 thoughts on ““America is not broke, Neither is Wisconsin!” Michael Moore

  1. I would like every liberal politician to go on record saying that Wisconsin and the nation are not broke.

    1. I know what your getting at – and it’s an absolutely laughable position to try and claim the state and federal finances are in anything resembling decent shape.

      But – as poorly as “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” worked in the Wizzard of Oz, it plays pretty well in our world today. There’s no problem – we can keep giving all the goodies you want and more. We even have a Nobel Prize winning economist who’s told us debt doesn’t matter. “Spend all you want, we’ll print more.”

    2. what he is getting at is the top 400 people in America have more wealth than the bottom 150 million(almost half of the people), yet it is TABOO to even think of raising their taxes even as much as 3%. Now we are going to cut even more off from the lowest income earners in the state and world. Maybe we could make it so they have as much wealth as the bottom 200 million if we keep working hard at it. So i would like every politician to go on record saying the top 400 wage earners paying a max of 15% is too much for them.

      1. Measures like – and the entire genre of the widening wealth gap is folly. It’s irrelevant – as rhetoric, it gets people fired up, but it’s a distraction that takes away from real problems. Sort of like lowering the BAC limit to .08 and pretending that it’s addressing the problem when the real threat to safety is the people blowing well over .10 and repeat offenders.

        Rich people can double their income, poor can double theirs and the wealth gap would be growing. But is there any question that under that scenario, society has improved tremendously and that the poor have improved much more that the rich. Helping those who most need it is a laudable goal – one I certainly support. But portraying it as a zero sum game, and focusing on the wealth gap – it’s unproductive and takes away from the real problems.

        As far as the tax rates – to be perfectly honest, I don’t know that I really care any more. Our tax system is so convoluted – at this point, I think it’s irreparably broken – so that the debate over percentage points of nominal tax rates couldn’t matter less. Said another way – nominal tax rates are such a poor reflection of effective tax rates (cringing at the use of the word effective in that context) that it really serves no purpose. Heck, jack the rates up to 90% but after going through the wringer, some might well end up actually paying less.

        1. The standard of living for the poor is lower now than it was 35 years ago. Median income, adjusted for inflation, is lower than 35 years ago.

          Our country is wealthier than 35 years ago, but very little of that wealth has gone to the bottom fifth. The bottom half has about as much as it did 35 years ago.

          I disagree with your premise that focusing upon the wealth gap is unproductive. Reducing the wealth of the super rich would make our country as a whole more productive.

  2. MM made a great speech for Wisconsin. New we need to make positive proposals to show the public we are serious about improving Wisconsin.
    Right now Wisconsin can begin to save millions of real money without any expenditures.
    If Wisconsin implements a combined hybrid health care system millions can be saved like Connecticut?

    Wisconsin can improve it’s health & medical care coverage by merging medicaid, and all state and municipal coverage under one administrative money saving roof.
    Connecticut is doing this.
    – They studied and estimated the best approach to achieve these objectives;
    – Emulation of the most logical steps being taken by many other states.
    – Logical steps that do not entail additional tax spending and need little legislation for implementation. – Connecticut’s plan –
    “We’ve estimated that the combination of federal health care reform and SustiNet will save Connecticut taxpayers $226-$277 million per year, starting in 2014, by replacing current state spending on HUSKY, public employee plans and Medicaid with newly-available federal dollars. If SustiNet slows health care cost growth by just one percentage point per year, state budget deficits will fall by $355 million in 2014, with reductions reaching more than $500 million a year, starting in 2019.”
    To learn more about SustiNet, inc transcripts and recordings of the Board’s meetings and briefings, see http://www.ct.gov/SustiNet.
    * Keep in view, Wisconsin has 38% grater population and will save more & much more because we hv to many school dists & tax collecting entities)
    There is a Coffee party get together re this subject @ 6:30, Tuesday(3/8) @ Panera Bread just past Pick’n Save @ the corner of Moorland & West Greenfield. Exit 301 on I94, 1/3 mile south.

    ” Ξ Of all the forms of inequality, injustice in health care is the most shocking and inhumane Ξ ”
    . . . Martin Luther King, Jr.

    1. Eugene, you say you want to merge “all state and municipal coverage under one administrative money saving roof.” Does this mean you want to remove the ability for collective bargaining on this issue? If not, tell me how this could be merged?

        1. Ha, yeah I mistakenly responded to it before realizing it was a spammer.

      1. No I do not ant this is not spam, it’s real.
        I want to lay the ground work for a Single Payer system.
        By merging all and letting businesses buy in, it will dawn on all another 15-17% can be saved by cutting out the greedy, unnecessary Ins Cos.

        1. That’s fine – I’ve been making an argument for health care reform for a long time and though I’m sure I’d disagree with you in many ways, by all means make your case.

          My point was more that it’s rather bad form to copy & paste the same text verbatim in multiple posts. It’s lazy and to me, is comparable to trying to win a debate by shouting.

          1. Yes I did post it a few times.
            If you look around the internest in a valiant attempt to find the end of it, you will find this provoking speech was circulated around the world 100’s of times over.
            As it should have been.

  3. As charitable as Michael Moore claims to be, how much money has he donated directly to government?

    1. Really? I have to spell this one out for you? Fine.


      In this article Buffett, Gates, etc… are pledging to give away half their wealth to charity. These guys are big time liberals and I applaud them for wanting to donate half their wealth. If it’s true what they believe, that the rich don’t pay their “fair share,”(http://on.wsj.com/f669oF) they could easily cut a check to WI government for the pay and compensation of public employees. And not just WI, they could cut checks to their home states or the federal government. Why don’t they? No one is stopping them.

      So back to Michael Moore. He is a very wealthy guy and according to him, he gives away 40% of his income to charity(http://bit.ly/gMseoq). No one is stopping him from giving extra to the government, especially if he believes it’s the right thing to do. How much, in US dollars, of his charitable donations goes to government?

      1. And where the rubber meets the road – he’s been a union buster – circumventing the rules, going out of his way to avoid union writers when it would cost him more & budgets were tight on his projects according to the guys who worked for him on his NBC show.

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