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  2. This has nothing to do with Wisconsin Politics or even American Politics, but the horrible domestic terrorist attack sends chill down my spine now that everyone knows why he did what he did due to his manifesto which I read until I got sick. That he killed all those young people hunting them down due to their politics and that they could potentially be the future of that Country. Over 80 of them there.

    I think since I followed this – ever since it was only the bombing and a few people on the island shot dead – when the number rose… It just disgusted me. If anyone needs a comparison, it was not an attack on a Summer Camp. It was an attack on liberal beliefs – since the Camp itself was what I would compare it to attacking a group like say the Young Republicans. (That’s the only comparison I can get here, because I noticed the Nordic Countries of all countries are more organized with putting the left together.)

    I suppose what I’m trying to say is that people were so eager to pin this on muslims extremists, all over the news but once he was proven to be a White Christian who was far right – they stopped calling him a terrorist, calling him ‘misguided’ but those leftists still had to disappear so they could understand we conservatives have more power and control —

    I felt seriously sick. I know not all conservatives are like this, in fact majority of them aren’t. It just makes me sick regardless to hear it.

    1. T.
      I think what bothers me the most is the inability of Norway’s penal system to address such heinous acts. The maximum jail sentence is 21 year, So this guy will be back on the street when he is 53 years old. That’s scary.

      1. No. THIS is scary:

        http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/07/23/god-and-oslo/

        Erick Erickson’s hypocrisy and self-serving illogic is scary.

        Wingnuts/conservatives/Redstaters like Erickson were quick to jump on the Norwegian horror as further evidence of the evils of Islam when they believed that Muslims were to blame.

        Once a white, blonde-haired, blue-eyed conservative extremist was identified as the terrorist, people like Erickson explained it away by saying that he wasn’t a “true Christian”, just as they have done with other Christian terrorists, like Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh. Just not “real Christians”.

        But, of course, in their world, every Muslim who commits a terrorist act is a “true Muslim” who constitutes a “representative” or “spokesman” or a “symbol” for all of Islam.

        I truly wish that they would all just walk off into the sunset spewing all of that venomous bile of theirs, and never come back.

      2. Actually a friend of mine in Norway explained this to me, it’s a case of longer than it looks. In a sort of opposite way the U.S. penal system is run, where the sentences seem harsh but you end up being let out early under specific circumstances due to having extra money, already serving time, or something along those lines.

        I’m just more horrified that huge big name papers are saying he’s a “misguided Christian Extremist” now instead of a “terrorist”. Nope. I don’t care how you spin it, he was a terrorist. Whether they’re the Unibomber, Timothy McVeigh, or Osama Bin Laden – they’re all terrorists.

        Personally, I’m just getting irritated now they’re focusing on the ‘avid gamer’ aspect of his personality and not the fact he took in a whole bunch of media of pure hatred. He had a media diet high in hate and even most then hate mongers manage not to go on killing sprees or committing violent hate crimes.

        1. I just want to say that I agree wholeheartedly. The man who did these things isn’t an “extremist;” he’s a terrorist.

      3. Yeah, I was shocked when I read that the maximum sentence for any crime in Norway is 21 years. I’m of the belief that if you take someone else’s life you should spend the rest of yours behind bars.

  3. “I’m just more horrified that huge big name papers are saying he’s a ‘misguided Christian Extremist’ now instead of a ‘terrorist’.”

    Same here, T.

    You’re a reasonable man. T.

    Erick Erickson and his wingnut clan, not so much.

    That was my point.

  4. Of course once again the urge to use a tragedy for political points – before waiting for all the facts to come out – rears it’s ugly head just like the Arizona shooting. There’s reports now supported by google cache from July 22 which show his facebook page without the Christian & Conservative identification.

    But by all means, the urge for knee-jerk reactions especially when it can score points is just too strong to resist for some.

    1. Locke,

      This guy apparently set out to kill as many of the youth wing of the Norwegian Labor Party as he could. This appears to be a mass political assasination of leftists by a rightwing conservative.

      And you’re already out front shaming the lefties for trying to score political points?

      Whose ugly head is rearing here?

    2. Locke scores a political point with a link! 😉

      (And kinda proves the points above.)

      Locke, the frustrating thing with you (which I expect you to lose much sleep over!) is you try to sell yourself as this Reasonable, Serious, Above The Partisan Fray conservative, but you consistently refuse to just call a spade a spade. While your schtick is to tsk tsk liberals for their supposed lack of willingness to do the same. You start to lose credibility after awhile, then. Are you even self-aware of this irony?

      1. you consistently refuse to just call a spade a spade

        So who exactly should I be calling a spade here? Breivik? Does it really need to be said that he’s a monster? Isn’t it self-evident? Does my saying so do something? Maybe it’s all the Republicans fault? Or conservatives is the US? That’s it, right?

        Unequivocally, anyone who played any sort of role in helping this guy – or encouraging him to do anything at all violent – should be punished. At this point, it’s way too damn early to know who if anyone fits that bill. (He’s publicly stated he acted alone, not that we should take his word for it). Until we actually know more – real facts, not media guessing from a Facebook page – it’s foolish.

        1. What people are miffed at on the right is how the right suddenly just cry that he was misguided, a sappy sob story on the New York Times of how he was pushed to madness, and you know you wouldn’t receive that shit if he was not white, conservative, or Christian. The same thing happened with Timothy McVeigh.

          It’s how conservatives are framing it that is what is upsetting people. (including myself) It doesn’t help that conservative pundits/angry radio announcers are trying to justify it saying the man was a genius, had a point, those children were the Hitler youth and deserved to die for their beliefs. They brought it on themselves for being so stupid, so they deserved every bullet to them. They try to back pedal saying “yes it was sad but they deserved everything. Let that be a lesson, liberals.”

          That is honestly why he’s getting on your case, Locke. What we are frustrated with is the fact they try to make us pity him, because he was pushed to do this by evil liberals so they deserved everything of it. He’s not a Terrorist who killed for his own selfish agenda. Instead he’s a man who was pushed to the extreme edge by the horrible liberals and snapped under pressure, doing a terrible thing but we can understand and relate to that feeling because don’t you want to kill those liberals sometime too?

          That’s the message that’s going across and why we’re bothered by it. The more conservatives get that, the more liberals will get off their cases. Call him for what he is, don’t try to make him a poor victim when he killed so many.

    3. … Scoring some political points? Seriously? Whether you like it or not, this crime was politically aimed by a man who admitted to this with sound logic saying he would bring the ‘conservative revolution’. He has actually admitted to it. He did a damn interview gleefully. I have to find the translation, but it’s very clear that no matter what – he is fucking conservative and christian.

      People need to man the fuck up and call him for what he is – not an extremist. But a terrorist.

  5. A Texas man paid $16 for a $330,000. Now everyone is in an uproar over a law that has been in place since the 1800’s. My interest peaked because I knew why they must be upset. I see it every day. So I looked it up and low and behold the man was a minority and the neighborhood was upper middle class whites.

    It never ceases to amaze me how the rules and laws are fine for some but wrong for others. Here they are changing the laws because they don’t want other minorities getting wind of that law in Texas. I use to wonder how my old neighbors were buying up distressed properties in my old neighborhood. Now I know. They just go in an pay the property tax and claim the house. People have been doing it for years in poor neighborhoods but no one cared.

    Now they care since its upper middle class neighborhoods in which people are doing it.

  6. In other news, to keep myself from wanting to smack things off the table in rage (an exaggeration, by the way. I’m too much of a pussy to do that.) I’ve been looking for things that make me laugh. This picture is one of them.

    I personally want this shirt, even if it’s an obvious shop.

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