Court documents say Demet admitted to an investigator that he circulated the petitions against state Sen. Van Wanggaard, R-Racine, in question and signed the names of other people, one of whom is dead. That was Ralph Petersen whose wife Violet was also fraudulently listed on a petition, according to the criminal complaint. Seven people listed on recall petitions told sheriff’s investigators they did not sign. The petition sheets also carried Demet’s signature. As the circulator of those pages he testified to the accuracy of the information they contained.
If convicted Demet faces a maximum penalty of 50 years in prison and a $90,000 fine.
What political ‘persuasion’ is this idiot? Just curious.
He’s an idiot Teabagger, of course, who thought he could discredit the recall drive by submitting forged signatures. He probably got the idea from hate-radio. I’m guessing alcohol had something to do with this as in most f’ed up things that happen in Wisconsin.
Do you know this for a fact?
Phil,
He’s been written about previously. Friends and his brother implied he did it to try to discredit the recall effort.
I think this is just precious. The only criminal charges brought throughout the entire recall process will be against a GOP-er Tea Squawker.
Priceless!
None of his Friends or his Brother has publicly stated that he did it to discredit the recall. the only person to say that was Randolph Brandt..who claims he’s never even met Mark Demet. So Brandt who benefited from Demet’s effort of 70 or more signatures for Wanggaard and probably as many more for Walker and Kleefish. Was bragging amoung family and friends how successfully the recall was going, and how many signatures they were collecting. Here is the original story: http://crgofracine.blogspot.com/2012/02/this-is-what-election-fraud-looks-like.html
You do understand right UP that this is NOT election fraud….This wouldbe recall petition fraud…
While the likelihood that he is a tea party member far outweighs that he was paid by the dems, I would tend to believe he is just a disturbed individual who thought he was being clever. I wish the people who are outraged over this were consistent….
The charges used by the DA’s office were “ELECTION FRAUD”. The Recall process is part of the election process. so the fact that so much fraud was perpetrated by the Walker recallers et al. demonstrates a high willingness by Democrats to falsify themselves on Elections..especially when they think no one is looking or checking their ID’s! Which is why it was critical the the GOP in Wisconsin was able to pass the Voter ID bill. After repeatedly being denied by Jim Doyle and the Dems in our State Legislature.
Urban Pioneer,
Looks like you’ve answered my question. Big bullshitter it is!
Urban Pioneer,
The CRG blog is journalism? Maybe you’re a great big bullshitter?
I wouldn’t trust anything written by those hacks from CRG.
After all, that’s the same group that accused Chris Liebenthal of blogging on county time….on multiple days that he wasn’t at work…like Martin Luther King Jr. Day.
He discredits the recall process-gives it an ugly name. Not good at all!!
Motive and political persuasion can be sorted out by Frank and Joe on the cell block B yard.
Precisely.
Mark Demet is NOT a Tea Party Supporter. He is a devout Democrat. There has been no credible writings that he was a plant except by the organizer of the Wanggaard campaign who thru Mark Demet under the bus as soon as the first inklings of fraud were exposed. I can’t imagine a fool would allow himself to be turned into the DA’s office over a “prank”. It was the watchful eye of the TEA Party members who uncovered the fraud. Not only did he forge his 2 brothers names, his mothers name..but then 6 of his neighbors and a dead guy!
@Urban Pioneer- Apparently you have not been following the news on Demet. Nice try though.
Yes Mr. McD. I have been following it closely. Randolph Brandt tried to accuse Mark Demet of being a plant which is ridiculous. Mark Demet is known by several of the Dems in our area. and Mr. Brandt’s denial is absurd! Demet was down by the Wal-Mart on balck Friday which was one of the prime sites the Racine group set up to capture signatures. He was also there a few days around Christmas for the same reason. I know Mark’s brother Jeff is a TEA Party supporter..but like many families not everyone agrees on politics. I also know many of the players on both sides of this topic. I think Sir you are seriously under informed. I suggest you look at the origina story and the follow up at CRGofracine.blogspot.com If you have EVIDENCE that Mark Demet set up this prank so that someone would uncover his deeds I’d sure like to hear it. Randolph Brandt is a partisan hack..who used to write Lefty editorials at a local newspaper in Racine. In his retirement he no longer feels restrained to keep some semblance of truth. But CJ McD I llok forward to any FACTS you can point to. The Criminal complaint doesn’t seem to lend any credence to your statement.
Urban Pioneer,
That’s a bunch of bullshit.
Really Mr. Carlson..Would you care to be more specific? And then back it up if you please!
Someone being posted at Wal-Mart at recall posts serves as obvious proof he wasn’t a mole? How so? Being he is known to several Dems and has associated with Dems proves he wasn’t a mole? How so? It seems a mole would do all of these things and more. Personally, I do not have proof he was a mole or not a mole. It irritates me when information is presented as “proof” when it isn’t proof at all. In my opinion, if he was planted to discredit the recall he should be prosecuted. If he forged the document to bump up the recall numbers he should be prosecuted.
Does anyone know if he is a registered Democrat or if he’s ever been registered as a Republican? Oh…and despite any “proof”, let’s not pretend this behavior is outside the character of those in the tea party.
Would a mole set him or herself up to be a committed Felon over a few signatures? The guy though the could pad the signatures he got, brag about it. and I know Brandt and the Recall Committee were out at the hot-spots praising the folks who were making the effort..including the Wal-Mart on those days. There was coverage on the local radio programs discussing it. Another jump to claim the TEA Party has something to do with this. Based on ZERO facts. Nice try DEB.
Urban Pioneer,
So what are you claiming? Demet is a devout democrat and this is an obvious case of signature fraud that the Tea Party discovered and reported? Is that your clear, unequivocal position on this case?
Steve Carlson. Yes all the evidence points to that. I also know most of the players involved, including Brandt, Gallaher, Jeff Demet, the CRG folks..etc. The TEA Party. So yes Unequivocally Mark Demet is not a TEA Party guy and is a very pro Democrat. He was doing what he thought would help his cause and didn’t think he’d get caught.
What evidence points to that? To my knowledge none of the reporting to date has mentioned Demet’s political persuasion. So do you have inside information?
His brother Jeff called him ” my crazy brother”. What does that mean?
You’re the first person I’ve read who’s made the claim that Demet is a devout democrat. How would you know? Who are you?
Sorry DEB it was foolish of me to try to deflect your silly Straw Dog “Mole” arguement, by questioning what possible Logic would be involved in such a stupid decision. Some poor Sap would pose as a Dem in Mid November and gather signatures only so that a local blogger could turn him/her into the DA’s office and face Felony charges.. Your right that’s just too crazy too even engage in. Because it’s ridiculous, and preposterous to any thinking person. But i foolishly bit on that comment..My Bad. I know what I know..I have tried to provide assorted details to back it up. If you all wish to ignore an obvious case of one of your boys gone rogue is on you. The DA agrees with me. and they took it very seriously and responded ASAP..and the guy confessed! He has never made a public statement yet. So we only have the evidence provided by those who are close to the story. Since I am clearly the closest person to the story you have to begin here. Prove me a Liar..??you can not. You can accuse me, but you can’t provide ANY evidence to disprove the story is as reported, and the Charges from the DA backs up the entire tale! You guys are more than happy to create all sorts of exotic tales of what Scott Walker is “guilty” of..based on leaks from the John Doe. Here I put out facts and you will twist yourself into fits to find denial. The guy did it and he’s one of your dudes. It doesn’t mean your all corrupt..but if your too pusillanimous to just hold the douche accountable and move on..it merely demonstrates the guilt by association, because your apologizing and excusing him. If he was a GOP or TEA Party we’d have thrown his ass under the bus already! you guys do some silly circle jerk to protect your creeps. Or instead pretend they are somehow patsy agents of the TEA Party! Even Mark Demet isn’t that STUPID! But the practice is good for you guys we are gonna find a lot of fraud..So keep your fingertips sharp 🙂
Yeah, it’s not as if some conservatives in Caledonia thought it would be a great idea to collect valid signatures and then destroy them….
Oh wait, that really did happen.
Urban Pioneer: “Another jump to claim the TEA Party has something to do with this. Based on ZERO facts. Nice try DEB.”
You seem a little twitchy there, Urban Pioneer. Calm down.
DEBspeaks didn’t “try” anything, your touchy, teabaggy, knee-jerk reaction to what she had to say, notwithstanding. Seems like she was looking at things from both sides.
Let’s see what she actually had to say, huh?
DEBspeaks: “Personally, I do not have proof he was a mole or not a mole. It irritates me when information is presented as “proof” when it isn’t proof at all. In my opinion, if he was planted to discredit the recall he should be prosecuted. If he forged the document to bump up the recall numbers he should be prosecuted.
Does anyone know if he is a registered Democrat or if he’s ever been registered as a Republican? Oh…and despite any “proof”, let’s not pretend this behavior is outside the character of those in the tea party. ”
See what I’m saying, homeboy?
Even that last line said nothing definitive about Demet. I guess your problem with DEB stemmed from the fact that she had the temerity to suggest that the Tea Party has its own ethical issues to deal with whether or not is one of your brethren or not.
I think you should re-read my comment before you get all hot and bothered. I clearly stated I didn’t know if he was a planted mole or not. I simply pointed out if I were a mole, I would do all the activities you mentioned. I stand by my comment…those in the tea party are not opposed to acts of sabotage despite the legality.
Urban Pioneer clearly over-reacted to your comment.
perhaps a little overwhelmed with his pointless argument.
Yep.
I reminded him below that he had “forgotten” to apologize for the overreaction. Funny, he never got back to either one of us on that. (*laughing*)
Typical wingnut blowhard.
I imagine that in a year’s time when the rest of us are talking about all the great work the new Democratic Governor is doing, UP will still be muttering into his beard, “I KNOW the Demet family, and, mark my words, Mark is NO wingnut.”
A wingnut will seize on what he/she perceives to be progressive misconduct and never let it go, while ignoring the great weight of wingnut/Walker supporter misconduct. And they will over-inflate the significance of any given example of purported progressive misconduct, and talk about it ad infinitem, because it’s all they’ve got.
Urban Pioneer is just working out his anxiety over Walker’s impending defeat, so he’s not always going to make sense. That would explain his over-the-top and inaccurate reply to your comment. It also explains his fixation with something that, in the scheme of things, just isn’t all that important.
Individuals of all partys may subject to assorted acts of sabatoge. the TEA Party has no part in any sabotage. Mark Demet is not involved with, nir has he attended any TEA Party events, and has made it clear to family and friends that he opposes the TEA Party and their efforts. He doesn’t like Walker, Wanggaard, etc. and set out to do his part to get them recalled. I believe he set out with good intentions..but got caught up in the “heat” of battle and went rogue. He got caught and we all agree he should face the music for undermining the Election process in Wisconsin. If he was setting himself up as a Mole to undercut the integrity..why would he risk felony charges, by witnessing his own documents?
As I stated above Steve I am acquainted with most of the players in the scenario, so yes I guess “insider info.” would be correct. Steve do you know any of the Demet brothers? Do you know Randy Brandt? Do you know Downtown Brown? or any of the folks on the DA’s staff in Racine? Were you one of his neighbors who was interviewed and his ID stolen by Mark Demet after being neighbors for 20 plus years? Yes I know the politics of Mark Demet. I don’t know if he’s a member of the party..I never asked. I also never knew he couldn’t be trusted to play nice in an election / Recall campaign.
What cracks me up Steve et al. is how far you guys are willing to stick heads up to ignore the fact that one of Dem brethren was willing to commit voting fraud. It’s not the only case we found HUNDREDS of situations where one person signed for two or more persons on the recall forms. Of course you can’t tell which person forged who’s signature with out a face to face inquiry, unless we can find them on the “Do Not sign”
list. BTW Jeff Demet, his wife and sons all signed the do not sign list. Back in early December as I recall.
At Jeff Simpson. The Criminal complaint has 2 counts of ELECTION FRAUD . and 7 counts of Felony ID theft. So the term Election or voter fraud would be applicable.
You can view the PDF Criminal Complaint from the DA’s office here:
http://caledonia.patch.com/articles/phony-recall-signature-case-takes-another-turn#pdf-9208251
If you’re so familiar with these folks what did Jeff Demet mean by ” my crazy brother?”
And if you found hundreds of cases of signature fraud then why is the DA pursuing only this one? The name of the circulator should be on every petition. If there’s more evidence of fraud is it being investigated by the police?
Is Brandt lying when he says no one in the recall committee knew Demet?
Is this maybe a case of one crazy guy going off his rocker and you’re desperately attempting to inflate it into something well beyond what it is?
Coud you be just a big bullshitter?
Answer in any order you like.
Urban Pioneer,
The criminal complaint makes no mention of motive.
If you’ve got the inside story you should share it with the press. People are eager to know why this guy did what he did. Be a good citizen and come forward. No need to hide behind anonymity. You’re a real patriot exposing recall petition signature fraud. You should be proud of yourself.
Or maybe you’re just a great, big bullshitter?
Steve the story WAS shared with the press. It was all over Wisconsin News, NPr, assorted radio talk shows.. JSonline, Racine Journal times..etc. Several National media watchdogs picked up the story. The links to assorted news out lets are in the stories I linked to. If your too lame to read them that sir is on YOU! It takes a tremendous contortionist to stick his head so far up his own ass to be completly blinded..I must say I salute your skill! Cheers!
Nobody in the press has said Demet was a democrat. Just you. Maybe we could get a quote from Ken Brown? Do you know him? I’ve always thought his role in this sounded odd.
I do know Ken Brown form Racine TEA Party..he broke the story..if you have a question ask him on his blog. CRGofRacine. He’s not one to duck and run..he even called the DA and the Sherrifs office when he uncovered the story of Jeff’s brother. And was interviewed by several news sources.
I suspect we’ll have to wait and see if there is atrial, or post sentencing before we can get full explanation of his motive. So Far i only know what the family has told me, and the comments they have left in the press.
No one yet has interviewed Mark Demet. hmmmm Interesting isn’t it?
Well Steve your really trying hard on your denial..rather than just condemn the guy.
Brandt and “the Committee” were out at the “hot spots” on Black Friday. Mark Demet was a signed circulator. Thanking and encouraging the circulators. Whether he absolutely knows Mark I can’t attest. But It seems unlikely that they hadn’t met on one of those targeted days that Mark was out collecting. Also Mark signed several others forms using different names..his Mother and his Brother were 2 examples. Jeff didn’t mean mentally ill, just that each has a different passion for different political parties. As i understand he reported that his “crazy brother” was out collecting signatures. Also isn’t it interesting how not a SINGLE news program in Milwaukee has been able to get Mark Demet on Camera. Jeff and his mother were interviewed by WTMJ-TV early last month.
The DA’s office didn’t think it was “inflating” something out of proportion, nor did they dismiss Mark as “Crazy”. His Ex-wife offered a commentary to the Racine Journal Times. You can check out more of the story at Media Matters, http://mediatrackers.org/2012/02/recall-fraud-racine-man-finds-his-name-4-times-on-wanggaard-recall-never-signed/#comment-2965
which I think has links to some of the pages where Demet falsified info. Also one page in particular has a page he circulated and the top 2 pages have 2 women same address, similar names.and exactly the same writing and printing styles. When I find it later i’ll post it for you.
Also several links from the original story by my friend Downtown Brown can be found here:
http://crgofracine.blogspot.com/2012/02/this-is-what-election-fraud-looks-like.html
If all that evidence makes me a “Big Bullshitter”..well I can’t help you out any more Steve. I can not rationalize someone out of what they didn’t rationalize themselves into. I have no reason to lie…I want election fraud caught and prosecuted. Right Left or center. We caught this guy and the DA’s office has been advised of numerous other instances..they will pursue those cases they believe successes can be made. My friends and I will continue to look for fraud. I suggest you notify the Blue-Sphere..:) Cheers off for a beer.
exactly the same writing and printing styles
Find one truffle and dig up the whole yard. The kerning experts are still living off that Dan Rather glory.
exactly the same writing and printing styles
Are you a handwriting expert?
Someone needs to inform the experts that the circulator is allowed to fill in everything but the signature.
That would ruin their story though ……
Urban pioneer,
You’ve offered nothing here other than your opinion. No evidence Demet is a devout democrat, no evidence Brandt is telling anything other than truth, no evidence of widespread fraud, as you claim.
Just a great big bullshitter.
Urban Pioneer, do you have any objective proof regarding your allegations?
Do you have anything whatsoever for us to rely on in believing you other than “I know the family” and “just take my word for it”?
Zuma I think I have made a pretty good arguement for being familiar with people, the story, and the follow-up to the story. I can not make you believe it. Your collective insistence on denial that Mark Demet is not a Pro-Dem is nothing I can offer beyond first hand experience which is supported by myself the original story which was reported on most Major media markets in Milwaukee, Madison and the Racine, Kenosha area. It was documented, investigated, supported, and charged by the District Attorney. Nothing from Mark Demet has been quoted to dispute my commentary. His Brother, Mother and ex-wife have all supported my evidence to support my recording of the Story. I have no personal gain to report lies or untruths. I do have personal dealings with most of the folks in the story. I guess it doen’t matter unless I produce naked pictures of each individual posing with a Goat..to prove my story…You will likely accuse the Goat of being a TEA Party Plant anyway. I was misguided. I have had intelligent conversations here before..but I see the Pink Slip guy has taken over the site. Racine has a long reputation for vote fraud..we finally have a DA that’ll start prosecuting..and I assure you when we find mischeif we are going after it! It’s easy to cheat in milwaukee and Dane..but NOT in Racine anymore!
Urban Pioneer wrote: “Your collective insistence on denial that Mark Demet is not a Pro-Dem . . .”
I didn’t insist on anything, Urban Pioneer, collectively or all by my lonesome. I guess your defensive partisan fringe is showing, huh?
Look, if you’re comfortable with your “Inside Demet” knowledge, fine. I just asked if you had anything more objective than that. You don’t. So, it’s all good. I understand where you’re coming from, EXACTLY where you’re coming from.
That said, even if you’re right about, Demet, so what? Does what Demet did discredit the entire Recall Walker effort?
In any event, I note that you didn’t apologize to DEBspeaks for your overreaction to the comment that she posted.
Care to do so now?
Urban Pioneer wrote: “I guess it doen’t matter unless I produce naked pictures of each individual posing with a Goat..to prove my story…You will likely accuse the Goat of being a TEA Party Plant anyway.
You tend to over-react to things, don’t ya? (*laughing*) What did I write that merited that unseemly little bit of partisan hyperbole? Hmmmmm?
Anyway, I guess that you’re just going to have to accept that people are going to be skeptical about your “I know these people, so you’re JUST going to have to trust me” brand of evidence. The voices in your head, and the “knowledge” contained therein, may be persuasive to you, but in the realm of public discourse, it’s all a little less persuasive. At a minimum, your arrogance is misplaced. Stop getting so damn defensive when people don’t just roll over and say, “Oh, well, if YOU said so, case closed”.
Urban Pioneer wrote: “I was misguided. I have had intelligent conversations here before..but I see the Pink Slip guy has taken over the site. Racine has a long reputation for vote fraud..we finally have a DA that’ll start prosecuting..and I assure you when we find mischeif we are going after it! It’s easy to cheat in milwaukee and Dane..but NOT in Racine anymore! ”
Dude, your hyper-partisan fringe is showing.
You’re obviously not here for an “intelligent conversation”. Just stop with the wingnut sanctimony, and stop OVER-reacting to everything anybody says to you here. You want to have an intelligent conversation? Start there.
Then, we’ll talk.
@ Urban Pioneer
I’ve heard that goats are all teabaggers, anyway. So, it would probably be a non-story from the start.
(*wink*)
Lighten up, my misguided wingnut brother.
And get used to saying Governor Falk or Governor Vinehout or Governor Barrett or. . .Governor Feingold, huh?
(*laughing*)
Is Demet a teabagger or a Democrat? Ultimately, the answer to that question is, “Who cares?”
Walker’s toast.
Never have I claimed to be a neutral. I support Scott Walker and Van Wanggaard, and the TEA Party conservatives. I don’t apologize for any of that. But the facts are still the same. Demet commited Election fraud..and admitted it! I am reporting that he was a Dem, and was working to seriously recall Walker et al. I have no reason to make that up. I came over to Blogging Blue to have the discussion, i ‘m not fearful of this site, i’ve conversations here before. I have provided sufficient evidence that I am knowledgeable about the players, the media, the terrain in Racine and SE Wisconsin. I know the Mayor, the Lefties and the righties in the area.
Many of your fellow bloggers have been sarcastic and one in particular has referred to me a A “big Bullshitter”. I have replied with less vengeance, but with a little tongue in cheek retort. I can be sarcastic and enjoy a good quip. My credentials on this issue again are supported by the DA’s office..followed up by the confession of Mark Demet. We shall see a bit more after his hearing on the 13th of March. I guess my credibility will have to be supported when he finally is sentenced or makes a public statement. So until then you’ll just have to await his backing of my story. If he was aTP guy gone rogue..I would suspect he would be on TV screaming how he was screwed over by the TP. instead of hiding form the world. So since neither you nor anyone else provided a scintilla of evidence to challenge my facts and my story…you collectively have nothing beyond emotion to try to refute me. But since there is NOTHING else I can offer until Mark Demets fesses up publicly; I’ll stop before I waste anymore of your or my own breath. See ya’ll for the next conversation. Great night everyone! Even Steven
Urban Pioneer wrote: “I guess my credibility will have to be supported when he finally is sentenced or makes a public statement.”
You couldn’t have made my point about the “strength” of your evidence any better, my misguided wingnut brother.
Your speculation about how Demet would actually be comporting himself if he was a teabagger, while amusing, was pure and unadulterated speculation on your part. In your mind, I suppose that that constituted “evidence”, as well, huh?
That said, much of what you have had to say here has been nothing more than self-serving, partisan-fueled speculation intended to somehow disparage the recall effort.
As I was saying above, the outcome of the Demet matter is academic. I suppose, as a wingnut, you need to find your comfort with respect to the recall elections wherever you can find it, even in a fundamentally meaningless anecdote like that involving Demet.
Derive whatever comfort you can from the Demet soap opera, Urban Pioneer. As you were saying, I guess that you’ll just have to wait for someone, like Demet, who actually knows the truth to make a statement before you truly know anything for sure.
In the meantime, enjoy your little wingnut wet dream about the significance of the Demet matter while it lasts. The recall election is happening, Urban Pioneer, like it or not.
And. . .Walker is going down.
I suppose that that’s what’s really bothering you here, isn’t it, big guy?
This isn’t really about Demet, is it?
“Walker is going down”
Care to make a friendly little wager on that one?
Here’s the guy who purportedly broke this story, Ken Brown, talking to a small group about LiberTEA Racine, technology, and how Twitter probably isn’t going to amount to much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3KMtL52opg
You gotta wonder why he bothered to use the microphone.
I dont read the papers, I read Drudge? Huhwaaaa?
The Colts had a heck of a Super Bowl win this year!!
http://guyism.com/sports/matt-drudge-forgets-which-manning-is-in-the-super-bowl.html
On a related note, I did not know that Ray Walston was part of the Racine “tea party”. mY guess is because he was “my favorite martian” he is the only allowed to eat at these events!
Urban Pioneer took what little cover he had and ran, promising to return sometime in the future.
I think he was just quitting while he was behind.
Walker, Wangaard, Fitzgerald, and the rest are going down, and Urban Pioneer knows it, but being a prideful wingnut, he just couldn’t just “quietly go into that good night” without putting up an unnecessary fuss first. Demet? Who cares?
See ya, Urban Pioneer. Next time, bring your “A” game, huh?
Sorry to disappoint you Zuma’s..but while tilting at windmills might be great for cardio workouts. I have a real job to get back at today. I have laid out the assorted links and facts and my personal knowledge of the partys involved that Demet is a Dem and not a TEA Party plant…you have offered nothing to disprove that set of facts, beyond your own denial. I did notice that you resorted dismissing the issue as trivial and insignificant, and resorting to calling me a coward and a wing-nut once you ran out of arguments to disprove it. Always entertaining sir..but not worthy of my time.
I did however in one of my replies on this blog offer to link one example of one person signing for 2 individuals. Linked here..advance to page 3427 the top 2 lines.
http://webapps.wi.gov/sites/recall/Recall%20Petitions/Senate%20Districts%2021/SD%2021%203401-3450.pdf
Venessa Washington and Yolanda Sanders Both with identical addresses and identical printing. I could accept that of course but the handwriting style of the signatures is also very similar. Now Mark Demet was the circulator of this petition and we have established he wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer.and was wiling to commit fraud. Did he knowingly observe either Venessa or Yolanda sign for the other person? You can be the judge. This was one of many of the examples that VTR and TTV found by the thousands. as soon as the alpha lists are released I’m sure we will be pressing for greater investigation into these situations.
Finally I am cautiously confident that Wanggaard and Walker will survive the recall elections..but like you I will work hard to help ensure my candidates prevail. Now back to work, at least for me….L8rs!
with identical addresses and identical printing
Hello, McFly.
– The signatures look nothing alike, and even if they did your or my opinion on handwriting is legally meaningless.
– “Roommates.” Look it up in Webster’s.
– The petition circulator is allowed to complete the address and date.
Gnarly:
The petition circulator was Mark Demet..his printing at the bottom of the page looks nothing like Venessa or Yolanda..I presume your not a handwriting expert either, thus your dismissal of my “expertise” is meaningless. Independently contacting one or both of these sisters/ roommates etc. would resolve it, and asking for a signature from each of them would resolve it. (I’m not calling for that, just demonstrating one rather obvious example and a way to resolve it).
There is no way that Mark Demet who printed the data at the bottom of the page as the “circulator” filled in the printed name and address info as is allowed by said circulator in lines 1 and 2 of this form.
So what’s your endgame? Convince the GAB of your keen eye for penmanship, or just whine about it for all eternity?
Endgame is to demonstrate that fraud happened..in such higher numbers and incidences that the GAB will take our concerns for recall and voter integrity more seriously. Taking this stuff to the GAB is pointless..they are obviously not concerned about fraud..taking the situations to the assorted DA’s around the state..and getting them to investigate and prosecute and thus providing evidence in the future that it occurs and the GAB and Tom Barrett will have a list of names, faces and situations where voter corruption existed.
So you plan to take that to the DA? Please, please keep me updated.
All you have proven is one goofball circulated petitions and possibly signed the names of some of his family members who did not want to sign. You have proven absolutely Nothing else.
The GAB does not take your concerns serious 1. because they arent and 2 because they by law can not. The one you should be mad it is the walker campaign who completely ignored everything you have been saying.
Why not run this all to JB van Hollen? dont you think he is itching to take someone like Demet and run him to the electric chair? The way he completely ignored the Kratz stalking case and the John Doe investigation shows how desperate he is now to prosecute a democrat.
Since the DA was already looking into other mischief from Demet thay already had the info. Whether they followed up on those 2 individuals or not known to me. They may have felt they had sufficient forgery and ID theft on him and not moved beyond that. Demet has 9 Felonies to deal with. That should be sufficient. The Walker doc’s I’m sure have been sent over to the DA’s if they wanted them potentially tripling the numbers of felonies by Mark. It’s probably not needed.
Urban (“Mountain Out Of A Molehill”) Pioneer
we looked at the walker docs….
http://bloggingblue.com/2012/03/03/verify-the-recall-has-been-verified/
oops
ProTip: when you visit the DA, print this out and pin it to your lapel.
Ok that brings the official count to 999,991…..keep working
GT – (*laughing*) Yeah, the level of self-importance that Urban Pioneer brings to the table is kind of funny. In the real world, Demet is inconsequential. In Wingnut World, it’s ALL they can talk about. Poor sods.
Maybe we can get Urby a flashing red light for the top of his car. It’ll complement the “badge”.
“THAT should be sufficient”.
Urban Pioneer: “I did notice that you resorted dismissing the issue as trivial and insignificant, and resorting to calling me a coward and a wing-nut once you ran out of arguments to disprove it. Always entertaining sir..but not worthy of my time.”
Ran out of arguments to disprove it?!
(laughing*) You really are a tool, UP.
When did I try to “disprove” anything? I thought that you were making a mountain out of a molehill from the outset, little homey, and mentioned, along the way, that your “proof” regarding Demet was laughable. Still do.
I guess that you’re going to continue to beat a dead horse, huh? Well, so be it. Knock yourself out, wingnut. It’s not going to make the Demet matter any more significant or meaningful.
Urban Pioneer: “I did notice that you resorted dismissing the issue as trivial and insignificant, and resorting to calling me a coward and a wing-nut once you ran out of arguments to disprove it. Always entertaining sir..but not worthy of my time.”
Ran out of arguments to disprove it?!
(laughing*) You really are a tool, UP.
When did I try to “disprove” anything? I thought that you were making a mountain out of a molehill from the outset, little homey, and mentioned, along the way, that your “proof” regarding Demet was laughable. Still do.
I guess that you’re going to continue to beat a dead horse, huh? Well, so be it. Knock yourself out, wingnut. It’s not going to make the Demet matter any more significant or meaningful.
I know this guy’s a democrat because I heard it from my cousin’s ex-husband’s brother’s best friend who knows a guy who worked with Demet seven years ago.
Hey Jan. Ever visited a wingnut website called Patriot Action Network (used to be called Resistnet.org in its wackier days – they’ve tried to civilize it of late)? They’re still worked up about the President being THIS close, not just to impeachment, but to imprisonment because of the fraudulent birth certificate thing and ALL the laws that he has broken in perpetrating the FRAUD. It is THE most important, pivotal issue issue confronting the world, and they’re THIS close to putting the President behind bars. Well, to listen to them, they are, but context is everything, isn’t it. So, is the reality that exists outside the wingnut echo chamber, or just outside any given wingnut’s head, for that matter.
Reading what Urban Pioneer has to say is reminiscent of all that. Once a wingnut sinks his teeth into something, they tend not to ever let go, no matter what reality dictates.
If Urban Pioneer’s flight of fancy keeps him calm, and his pistol holstered, I’m happy. He can say, “Demet, Demet, Demet, Demet, Demet” until the cows come home, and it won’t matter. Let Urban Pioneer flail away on this fool’s errand of his. It gives him and the other wingnuts something to do. In the end, it will all come to nothing. Walker, Kleefisch, Fitsgerald and company will all be gone soon enough.
It will be kind of entertaining, though, given all the blustering UP has engaged in about whose side Demet is really on, if, in the end, it turns out that Demet is actually a bagger, huh?
At which point, I’m absolutely positive that UP will come back here to say a heartfelt, “Uh, heh, heh, ummmm, guess I was wrong”, right, UP? (*laughing*) Yeahhhh. Let’s just say that I won’t be holding my breath.
I thought you might get a kick of this.
More wingnut craziness. . .
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/01/1070006/-New-Wingnut-Meme-Obama-Killed-Breitbart-I-Kid-You-Not-?via=sidebyuserrec
Is there ANYTHING that they won’t believe?!
(*laughing*)
They have hit the comment section of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel also!
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/141190633.html#!page=1&viewAll=0&sort=newestfirst
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Do you think that Obama had Andrew Breitbart whacked because of something the he was about to expose or just because the lefties hated him?
@ Urban (“Mountains Out of Molehills”) Pioneer
I guess that you’re just going to have to accept that people are going to be skeptical about your “I know these people, so you’re JUST going to have to trust me” brand of evidence.
The voices in your head, and the intimate knowledge of the Demet’s family that you purport to have, may be persuasive to you, but in the realm of public discourse, in plain and simple terms, they are simply not persuasive.
At a minimum, your arrogance is misplaced. Stop getting so damn defensive when people don’t just roll over and say, “Oh, well, if YOU said so, case closed”. In any event, the reality is that you are making a mountain out of a truly inconsequential molehill here for no better reason than that it’s all you’ve got to hang your hat on.
Given all that, you really ought to stop telling people that their heads are too far up their asses to understand what you are trying to tell them. In the first place, it’s childish. In the second, everyone else here is just exercising common sense.
To recap: (1) Demet inconsequential, meaningless, (2) Demet might be a wingnut, might not be a wingnut, who cares? (3) Walker going down, (4) Urban Pioneer has a sad, (5) Urban Pioneer tries to buck himself up with fixation on Demet, (6) Demet still inconsequential, meaningless, no matter how much Urban Pioneer goes on about it.