Are Democrats going to make an effort to get new lower income voters to the polls this elections as Steve Carlson has wrote about in the past or are we going to solely go after the voters of the modeling universe that we have used in past elections?
Morning AJ,
That would depend a lot on which part of the herd of cats you would be pointing to in your question. An example from my area that says nothing will be different coming directly from the party is well illustrated by the “Progressive,” website out of Green Bay:
Excellent calendar, info and articles and obviously a voice for the DPW. But this is top-down, here’s where it is at, listen up peons, party line controlled rhetoric. BS for the simple reason that you can ONLY copy and print or email the OP and news, but there is No comment section and NO contact us tab indicating any wish to listen reader voices, short of the usual suspects, social media hubs.
Get in their database and you can be told directly what they wish to allow you to do or say. Isn’t that special.
There are a lot of dedicated versions of Democrats around, but trusting the one-sided, we know everything ones isn’t going to effect any real change, I’m sad to opine.
Nice lead off question, AJ.
Nonquixote, anyone who has worked more than 1 campaign cycle sees problems still not being fixed by the DPW. For instance a number of Republican Legislators come off as Independent in the voter file and as a local activist a lot of times you cannot put them in the Strong Republican category. So if the modeling universe cannot get the Republican Legislators right I question how good the rest of the modeling universe is. It boggles my mind that we can be working the snot out of our projected base and being blown out come election day.
Besides the Id’s, the voter file is not aimed at getting out new voters which is contrary to the tradition of “Get Out the Vote” as a way to bring people to the polls who would not vote otherwise that come largely from a lower socio-economic status.
The DPW tends to hire out of state campaign operatives as opposed to local activists who have the potential to bring new voters to the polls by working their networks. The ultimate power in a democracy is the vote.
Will Mary Burke take anything from the unfortunate short lived campaign of Kathleen Vinehout and apply it to her campaign? Such as the viewpoints of progressives in this state? Will she show any emotion – get fired up Mary, please! What is she going to run on? We really don’t know who she is yet, what she stands for, her vision for the state – November will be here soon enough! Let’s get on with it already, Mary!
I want to talk briefly about Susan Happ’s candidacy for the Democratic nomination for Attorney General of Wisconsin.
According to the Verify the Recall website, Susan Happ did NOT sign the recall petition against Scott Fitzgerald. Of course, since that website is run by a bunch of right-wingers, there’s probably a ton of errors in the database. I’d love to get Happ on record about whether or not she signed the petition against Fitzgerald, and why she did or didn’t sign the petition.
If either Jon Richards or Ismael Ozanne go negative on Susan Happ, they may try to attack her over not signing a recall petition against Fitzgerald and accuse her of supporting Fitzgerald (however, it’s worth noting that not signing a recall petition against an elected official doesn’t necessarily mean the individual in question supported the incumbent).
I can’t see whether Happ signed a recall petition being a line of attack for either Richards or Ozanne, nor should it be.
There are a lot of good Democratic elected officials in Wisconsin who didn’t sign recall petitions, and I don’t think we should be using that as a litmus test to determine our candidates.
What would cause me to be strongly against Susan Happ is if she voted for Scott Fitzgerald in either the 2012 recall election or one or more prior elections. I don’t hold not signing a recall petition against Fitzgerald against Happ, although it does make me very suspicious of her.
Zach, if you ever get the chance to interview Susan Happ, ask her whether not she voted for Scott Fitzgerald.
All most voters want is a candidate that represents what they think America represents: That’s a person in a healthy relationship with family and the standard activities, who respects religious, speech, work and market freedoms as well as our preeminent standing (to our minds) in the world.
In other words Twinkie candidates, who tell them any local problem–cancer, poverty, MPS, child hunger and deprivation or homelessness–can be cured with telethons and fundraising concerts.
Make them think they have to get involved and risk wealth, reputation or even convenience and face any type of unpleasantness…they withdraw as if a tornado was on the horizon.
These facts are well known to any professional in public relations, which include, I hope, professionals of the Democratic state, national and local parties.
When hot headed radicals try to blow disparagement and vituperation at them, the majority (Truman and Nixon’s silent majority) will withdraw attention and support, at least until the tornado/hurricane hits, and then it’s too late.
And if our furies do get a group of unfortunates out on the streets, the more disruption they cause, the more negative with be the public reaction.
Effective public relations is a high art requiring significant training, research and assets. That’s why they make the big bucks, and why they’ve been able to sell America on gutting her democracy.
Are Democrats going to make an effort to get new lower income voters to the polls this elections as Steve Carlson has wrote about in the past or are we going to solely go after the voters of the modeling universe that we have used in past elections?
Morning AJ,
That would depend a lot on which part of the herd of cats you would be pointing to in your question. An example from my area that says nothing will be different coming directly from the party is well illustrated by the “Progressive,” website out of Green Bay:
http://newiprogressive.com/index.php
Excellent calendar, info and articles and obviously a voice for the DPW. But this is top-down, here’s where it is at, listen up peons, party line controlled rhetoric. BS for the simple reason that you can ONLY copy and print or email the OP and news, but there is No comment section and NO contact us tab indicating any wish to listen reader voices, short of the usual suspects, social media hubs.
Get in their database and you can be told directly what they wish to allow you to do or say. Isn’t that special.
There are a lot of dedicated versions of Democrats around, but trusting the one-sided, we know everything ones isn’t going to effect any real change, I’m sad to opine.
Nice lead off question, AJ.
Nonquixote, anyone who has worked more than 1 campaign cycle sees problems still not being fixed by the DPW. For instance a number of Republican Legislators come off as Independent in the voter file and as a local activist a lot of times you cannot put them in the Strong Republican category. So if the modeling universe cannot get the Republican Legislators right I question how good the rest of the modeling universe is. It boggles my mind that we can be working the snot out of our projected base and being blown out come election day.
Besides the Id’s, the voter file is not aimed at getting out new voters which is contrary to the tradition of “Get Out the Vote” as a way to bring people to the polls who would not vote otherwise that come largely from a lower socio-economic status.
The DPW tends to hire out of state campaign operatives as opposed to local activists who have the potential to bring new voters to the polls by working their networks. The ultimate power in a democracy is the vote.
Will Mary Burke take anything from the unfortunate short lived campaign of Kathleen Vinehout and apply it to her campaign? Such as the viewpoints of progressives in this state? Will she show any emotion – get fired up Mary, please! What is she going to run on? We really don’t know who she is yet, what she stands for, her vision for the state – November will be here soon enough! Let’s get on with it already, Mary!
I want to talk briefly about Susan Happ’s candidacy for the Democratic nomination for Attorney General of Wisconsin.
According to the Verify the Recall website, Susan Happ did NOT sign the recall petition against Scott Fitzgerald. Of course, since that website is run by a bunch of right-wingers, there’s probably a ton of errors in the database. I’d love to get Happ on record about whether or not she signed the petition against Fitzgerald, and why she did or didn’t sign the petition.
If either Jon Richards or Ismael Ozanne go negative on Susan Happ, they may try to attack her over not signing a recall petition against Fitzgerald and accuse her of supporting Fitzgerald (however, it’s worth noting that not signing a recall petition against an elected official doesn’t necessarily mean the individual in question supported the incumbent).
I can’t see whether Happ signed a recall petition being a line of attack for either Richards or Ozanne, nor should it be.
There are a lot of good Democratic elected officials in Wisconsin who didn’t sign recall petitions, and I don’t think we should be using that as a litmus test to determine our candidates.
What would cause me to be strongly against Susan Happ is if she voted for Scott Fitzgerald in either the 2012 recall election or one or more prior elections. I don’t hold not signing a recall petition against Fitzgerald against Happ, although it does make me very suspicious of her.
Zach, if you ever get the chance to interview Susan Happ, ask her whether not she voted for Scott Fitzgerald.
All most voters want is a candidate that represents what they think America represents: That’s a person in a healthy relationship with family and the standard activities, who respects religious, speech, work and market freedoms as well as our preeminent standing (to our minds) in the world.
In other words Twinkie candidates, who tell them any local problem–cancer, poverty, MPS, child hunger and deprivation or homelessness–can be cured with telethons and fundraising concerts.
Make them think they have to get involved and risk wealth, reputation or even convenience and face any type of unpleasantness…they withdraw as if a tornado was on the horizon.
These facts are well known to any professional in public relations, which include, I hope, professionals of the Democratic state, national and local parties.
When hot headed radicals try to blow disparagement and vituperation at them, the majority (Truman and Nixon’s silent majority) will withdraw attention and support, at least until the tornado/hurricane hits, and then it’s too late.
And if our furies do get a group of unfortunates out on the streets, the more disruption they cause, the more negative with be the public reaction.
Effective public relations is a high art requiring significant training, research and assets. That’s why they make the big bucks, and why they’ve been able to sell America on gutting her democracy.