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Further investigation of Walker is warranted.

   October 19, 2011

While many of us have speculated about whether or not the ongoing John Doe investigation into Scott Walker’s associates will eventually spread to Walker himself, what direct evidence we have of possible criminal activity by Walker seems to have gone uninvestigated.

Not long after after the infamous prank call by Ian Murphy posing as multi-billionaire David Koch, Progressive magazine editor Matt Rothschild published an article titled ” Did Scott Walker Confess to a Crime in Koch Prank?“. Rothschild was referring to Walkers admission that he had thought about planting troublemakers in the crowd of protesters in Madison last spring. In his article Rothschild quotes Lisa Graves, executive director of the Center for Media and Democracy in Madison and a former Justice Department attorney.

“Governor Walker has conceded that he considered disrupting the protests of Wisconsin residents exercising their right to assemble and petition the government for redress and that he discussed doing so with legislators and perhaps others,” says Graves, who is now the executive director of the Center for Media and Democracy in Madison, Wis. “His admissions warrant further investigation of his compliance with civil rights laws that have been in existence since the Civil War to protect Americans from conspiracies to injure or intimidate them for exercising their fundamental rights as free people, which obviously includes freedom of speech and dissent.”

If a former DOJ lawyer thinks this warrants further investigation then I think Walker should at least have to answer some questions about his statement. Who was he talking about when he said ” we thought about that” ( planting troublemakers in the crowd ). Who did he discuss this with?What did they discuss doing? What was their intent? I think the people of Wisconsin have a right to know.

 Maybe we should all give John W. Vaudreuil a call and file a complaint? You can reach him at 608-264-5158.

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35 thoughts on “Further investigation of Walker is warranted.”

  1. The next time someone overhears you say, “I’d like to tap that”, maybe you should be investigated and questioned about sexual harassment and plotting the crime of rape. Sheesh!

      1. In either case it would be a thought crime. Now, if that’s what you want, fine, but it eventually will come back to bite you in the butt.

  2. Gawd there are a couple hundred things I’d like to have investigated. One of the more esoteric: I’d love to know how the state architect, who I presume is a member of a professional association with an ethics code, was tasked with writing a cartoonish, handwritten damage estimate for the Capitol to justify closing it to the public in court and smear protesters as vandals.

      1. Steve, not for considering or thinking about it. That would be like giving ol’ Jimmy Carter a hard time for confessing to ‘lusting in his heart.’ That would be just plain stupid.

        1. Lusting in your heart isn’t a crime. You’re comparing apples to crowbars. Idiot.

          1. Great, you got my point, neither is considering or thinking about doing something a crime. If you only think about stealing apples or whacking someone with a crowbar, no harm, no foul.
            I look forward to your next insult. Actually, I’m staring a collection of them from here. I’ve already got 27 ‘idiots’ in the collection so I could use a few different ones for variety. Thank you in advance, buddy.

            1. Planning a crime, whether committed or not, is a crime – if the conspiracy is implemented, that is a SECOND crime.

              And the conspiracy charges are actually more serious and more likely to have more severe penalties.

              walker, the kochs, alec, and the criminals behind this administration know this. So does the US Attorney.

              There are plenty of people in prison for conspiracies they did not commit. There have even been people sentenced to death in America for conspiracies that were never implemented.

            2. I get your point that you are uninformed. Conspiracy to commit a crime is prosecuted by the law every single day in this country, and the statutes that define said crime are highly valuable especially to US Attorneys.

              In short, you are wrong because you don’t know how your own country works. But maybe you do know and are simply lying. One way you’re an idiot, the other way you’re an ass. But don’t try and pawn off that you’re just providing an opinion counter when it’s counter to the practice of law enforcement in this country, not unless you propose changing the actual law. That’s worth debate. You not knowing facts is not subject to debate.

        2. Orlin,

          I’m going to go through this one step at a time so take the gum out of your mouth, put it on the computer desk, and listen up.

          When Walker said ” we thought about that”, he wasn’t referring to a group Vulcan mind meld. They obviously talked about it, which implies conspiracy, which is addressed in the statute Lisa Graves describes in the article, which suggests an actual crime may have been committed, namely, Conspiracy Against Rights.

          You’re right about one thing, Orlin. Thinking about something isn’t a crime.

          But, conspiring with others to commit a crime is……….. a crime.

          You can put your gum back in your mouth now.

          1. Okay, so you say, “I’d sure like to tap that” and your buddy says, “me too.” Instant conspiracy.
            I’m curious, what other conspiracy theories are you in to? I’m guessing you ain’t a birther, but maybe 9/11, eh?

            1. You’re not describing a crime, Orlin. There’s no crime in lust.

              Now, if you and your buddy say,
              ” let’s take her out back against her will and have our way with her” you should be arrested.

              Is this helping, Orlin?

              1. So, even if you don’t take do anything physical, you just say it, you should be arrested. Aye-yi-yi, I hope you never become king.

                1. Orlin,

                  Have you ever seen any of the reality cop shows where someone tries to hire someone for murder? The cops don’t wait for the murder to be committed. They arrest people for conspiracy to commit murder.

                  Aye- yi -yi.

                  1. Reality TV!!!! LOL!!!
                    If someone has taken action and entered into a contract ‘to do’ something is quite a different thing than talking about taking action.

                    4. Orlin must be the nephew or son-in-law who can’t be trusted to do anything right ever. . .You know, like Mikey on “American Chopper”. . .

                      Based upon what he’s contributed here, Charles and David probably would have been better off telling Orlin to go back to playing video games in his parents’ basement.

              2. Steve- unfortunately Orly doesn’t know the difference- probably because he can’t score any without the help of drink, drugs, money or force.

                We’ll put him in the cell with his boy Scotty this time next year.

                1. I’d put my money on, “He hasn’t EVER scored”.

                  I’m sure being JUST THAT stupid hasn’t helped.

                  1. Steve, it was your premise of someone ‘hiring’ another to commit a crime. Whether you want to accept it or not, that requires a contract, most likely verbal/oral. That requires taking action. Whereas, considering hiring, or thinking about hiring someone is still just a thought.

                    2. @Orlin…Walker said, “we thought about doing that…” which means it was discussed verbally. That in itself is despicable for a Governor to do.

  3. Walker posits the idea of violating the civil rights of people lawfully protesting his policies, the author suggests the need to investigate that, and, ever the mindless partisan droid, you seek to take the sting out of that eminently reasonable suggestion by introducing a bizarre non-sequitor about investigations into “plotting the crime of rape” whenever some asshole sees a pretty woman and says, “I want to tap that”.

    Yesterday, you got your infantile, partisan panties all up in a bunch over “the stupidity” of drunk driving laws for no better reason than Republican “has been”, Randy Hopper, got busted for driving drunk.

    Seriously, you stupid little twit, what the hell is wrong with you?

    1. Zuma- Because Orly doesn’t make it out of Mom’s basement.

      In addition to the discussion of planting agitators, how about the acceptance in the David Koch phone call of “heading out to Cali.” Sure makes you wonder who’s paying for Scotty’s trips to NYC and Iowa and other places where some wingnut group brings him in to speak.

      I’m smelling Open Records Requests. Anyone else?

  4. I called – they said to write a letter. This is nonsense, our system of justice does not work like American Idol. This US Attorney knows what happened and has recieved letters. Here is what mine said:

    Dear Mr. Vaudreuil:

    As you fully know, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is on record plainly and openly admitting that he conspired to disrupt the protests of Wisconsin citizens exercising their right to assemble and petition the government for redress. He plainly says that this conspiracy included certain legislators and perhaps others.

    His own direct statements call for a full investigation of his compliance with civil rights laws that have been in existence since the Civil War to protect Americans from conspiracies to injure or intimidate them for exercising their fundamental rights as free people, which obviously includes freedom of speech and dissent.

    I believe you fully-know the incident I am talking about where Walkers admitted to Ian Murphy in a recorded conversation that he had thought about planting troublemakers in the crowd of protesters in Madison last spring. I am sending this letter because I was directed to from your office when I called. It is with some offense that I write this letter, because you fully know the issues I am talking about. They have been brought directly to your attention by many people since early this year and you continue to hear from many more.

    Our legal system is not based on a popularity contest – this is not American Idol. Whether you get one or one million letters asking for an investigation that is fully-warranted based on the Governor’s own recorded words, choosing to ignore these crimes against the people of Wisconsin is not an option.

    Let me remind you that Walker considered violent actions that could have not only undermined peaceful and legitimate protests; his plan would have hurt people physical. Inciting violence under a “false flag” might reasonably result in the deaths of innocent citizens.

    There is no justice in Wisconsin as long as you continue to help this administration avoid answering questions about this conspiracy. Standing down is not an option. Having your office hide behind disingenuous suggestions that citizens write letters such as this one is inappropriate.

    While I agreed to write this letter; you, I, the rest of Wisconsin, and much of America know there is a serious crime here that continues to stifle the constitutional rights of citizens – as long as you tacitly condone his actions by standing down, there is no reason to believe that Walker won’t implement the plans he clearly identified in a recorded conversation, nor that he won’t commit these crimes again.

    Anything less that a full, open, and meaningful investigation is clear evidence that you are also part of the ongoing criminality in Madison and that the United States Attorney’s Office, Western District of Wisconsin is actually giving Walker a “green like” to conspire to commit terrorist acts against citizens of the Badger State.

    1. You are dead wrong – ANYONE in Wisconsin is a viable complainant because conspiracies to commit terrorism against citizens exercising their legit rights harms us all.

      And, NO! He does not deserve benefit of doubt because letters have been received.

      But how about let’s try a little experiment – why don’t YOU admit to a conspiracy to directly harm people you disagree with by instigating violence. Be sure to make it about something important that is in the news.

      Be sure to direct your conspiracy against a large group of people. Be sure you admit to the crimes on tape that are widely distributed around the country (and world).

      And then lets see if the US Attorney’s Office demands that he will only consider action if he is sent an amazingly large number of letters over a series of months.

      Respectfully, you must not have actually read my post – why do you think this should be just like American Idol?

        1. I know you are, but that doesn’t mean that you cannot be corrected. Lighten up, please.

          I accept your opinion on giving him the benefit of the doubt, but need to point out the ridiculousness of the US Attorney’s Office implying that he might look at complaints if a gazillion letters come in while refusing to acknowledge the same information when one calls.

          I was told to send the letter to:

          John W. Vaudreuil
          U. S Attorney
          P.O. Box 1585
          Madison WI 53701

          I am sure it all goes to the same place, I imagine the mail gets handled more efficiently through the PO box though.

          1. One has to wonder, has the obama administration told him to stand down.

            Despite running on a claim he would “put on his comfortable walking shoes”, this president has not provided even an iota of support despite Wisconsin being catapulted into the national limelight.

            Yes, we need to hammer the US Attorney’s Office to do its job, however, if they are refusing to act (and they are), it is really the obama administration at fault.

            1. Badgerbadger,

              Nobody needs to hammer anything, and to conclude that Obama is blocking an investigation is just plain bizarre.

              Are you sure you’re out to help this cause?

              1. I didn’t conclude – I just asked. Your the one that hammers.

                Must be a teacher – think you know it all and that anyone with asks a question you didn’t think about is a problem.

                Folks like you are part of the problem and never will be part of the solution.

                So you think this is all about what you have to say – I was going to post some interesting information from General Council Office in DC

                But you already know it all – obviously not, but you think you do.

                GBCW!

                I will work on the recall, but it won’t be in support of folks like you and the attitude you extrude of self-entitlement

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