President Obama’s visit to the University of Wisconsin last month could prove costly.
The new Speaker of the State Assembly says UW’s decision to cancel classes for the President’s visit is something he will remember when they submit their budget request next year.
Rep. Robin Vos (R-Burlington) says his motivations aren’t political, but he warns that every decision the University of Wisconsin makes has an influence on its funding.
I love how on one hand Vos says he’ll remember the university’s decision to cancel classes for President Obama’s visit, while in the same breath saying his motivations aren’t political, because apparently he thinks people are too idiotic to make the connection.
Actually, he sounds mentally unbalanced.
Direct partisan involvement in a tightly contested presidential election is not what a university should be doing. The University of Wisconsin should pay a price for that kind of behavior. Not sure what that price should be as there could be collateral damage inflicted on the innocent. And Zach, you are a heightist, shame on you. But on a positive note, I guess we can dismiss the economic ideas of Robert Reich who stands at 4 ft 11 inches.
What Presidential election was going on last month? And no, the University should not pay a price for hosting the leader of the free world. This level of crazy is no different than the lobbying against certain commencement speakers. Views worth holding are worth challenging, and one would think, worth defending.
He’s the president, you idiot. It’s a civic station of some significance and should be welcome at any University regardless of individual politics. I’m sure you wouldn’t flinch if the CEO of BP or GM got the same treatment for the Economics department. The private sector has NO politics, right? Right.
EmmaR, I am not sure how old the quote is. I may well be mistaken but I thought the quote was from the time President Obama visited during his reelection campaign. Note that I didn’t say the University should “pay a price for hosting the leader of the free world,” and neither did Vos. Your suggestion is what we call a straw man argument. Rather, it was the decision to cancel classes and help produce a crowd for the president.
Denis, here’s what YOU wrote, “Direct partisan involvement in a tightly contested presidential election is not what a university should be doing.”
Emma’s correctly holding you accountable for it.
Not only can’t you write coherent sentences, you also don’t understand what a “straw man” argument is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man .
Why do you and Rep. Vos hate the University of Wisconsin for its freedoms?
The University allowed POTUS to speak on campus. It did not compel attendance. If it had, you and Rep. Vos would have a point.
Nobody has said that attendance was compulsory. Thanks for giving an example of a straw man argument.
Denis, just because you don’t like it, that doesn’t make it a straw man. The fact that attendance wasn’t compulsory is a very relevant fact that you omitted.
Did you omit it on purpose or was it carelessness?
Since you agree that attendance wasn’t compulsory, what possible problem could you and Rep. Vos have with POTUS appearing at the state’s flagship educational institution? Please explain.
Did you read the thread John? It was the DECISION TO CANCEL CLASSES for the presidential campaign stop that I consider a partisan activity. This action encouraged students to attend a large campaign rally for President Obama’s reelection. If you don’t think it is partisan activity, we will just have to agree to disagree I suppose.
I read the article, the comments and the post by Zach.
The Secret Service ordered key buildings evacuated, thus triggering the school closing decision. You want to pretend that it was a political decision, no one cares, you can’t substantiate your claim that it was to “help produce a crowd for the POTUS.” Fantasy beliefs are you. (BTW who are the, “we,” in your comment “…what we call a straw man argument…” ? Got a whole team there for harassment and stalking, that still can’t come up with a single fact or valid point?)
2012 UWM fall enrollment figures were 29.5K undergrads, 9.5K graduate students, 2.5K professional students, 21.8K faculty and staff. UWM population rounded 63K
Town of Madison population 233K is the larger principal city of the Madison-Baraboo CSA, a Combined Statistical Area that includes the Madison metropolitan area (Columbia, Dane and Iowa counties) and the Baraboo micropolitan area (Sauk County),[18][19][20] which had a combined population of 630,569[21] at the 2010 census (source-wiki)
The article states an estimated 30K people (not simply students or party loyalists but PEOPLE) attended the event, approximately 5% of the total population of the M-B CSA, a four county metro area show up, and you and Robin Vos shit partisan kittens over it. Presidential visit likely stimulated economic activity that day for many D and R and I business owners in the area, but school was cancelled for the afternoon to fill the bleachers for the POTUS, nobody else in the area could possibly have been interested. 600K other people just not interested.
I consider Scott K Walker using taxpayer money and state owned aircraft (and $M’s by now for his private body guard detail, laughable, nobody would waste time to even get near him unless it was a reporter whose job it was, or a corporate donor demanding payback for a campaign contribution) to the tune of $5M to appear at closed to the public events all over the state to campaign, fully 25% of his term so far, hiding his business calendar from public scrutiny and not being in his office attending to the actual needs of a fiscally failing state, extreme partisan activity.
Robin Vos threatening the UW system over the POTUS visit is a partisan activity. At least the POTUS presented himself to the people, Chicken legs Walker still hasn’t appeared before the people, anywhere that there weren’t pre-screened loyalists, campaign donors or forced-to-fill-the-chairs, employees of a donor’s company.
Apparent now to readers here for some time, Robin Vos has stiff competition for the smaller, more petty, more spiteful human being award.
No team. Just me. Could do this with most of my brain cells tied behind my back.
Well that must be the reason you sound like you’re dealing with half a deck. Please untie them so we can have some sensible contributions from you in the future. Parroted talking points and automatic disagreement without anything to back it up just make you sound like a person who has few brain cells to begin with, as do your claims to more. Don’t tell, show.
Denis, what do you consider your areas of expertise?
Logic, management, and I kick ass (sorry for the violent imagery non) in Pickleball. Why do you ask?
Please share some of your successes in “management.” What have you managed?
Denis has managed to expose John “Spammer” Casper and Nonquixote as petulant children.
William,
Per your request,
“(Federal) Taxes For Revenue Are Obsolete”
“…The necessity for a government to tax in order to maintain both its independence and its solvency is true for state and local governments, but it is not true for a national government. Two changes of the greatest consequence have occurred in the last twenty-five years which have substantially altered the position of the national state with respect to the financing of its current requirements.
The first of these changes is the gaining of vast new experience in the management of central banks.
The second change is the elimination, for domestic purposes, of the convertibility of the currency into gold…”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/warren-mosler/taxes-for-revenue-are-obs_b_542134.html
And, an old classic for all your pals on Wall Street.
“Bank Of America Dumps $75 Trillion In Derivatives On U.S. Taxpayers With Federal Approval”
http://seekingalpha.com/article/301260-bank-of-america-dumps-75-trillion-in-derivatives-on-u-s-taxpayers-with-federal-approval
William, to put $75 trillion in perspective for you, US GDP in 2012 was around $16.5 trillion. We blew a lot more than the $6 trillion they’re claiming in Iraq and Afghanistan. Social Security’s Trust Fund is around $2.3 trillion. Bank of America is just one Wall Street bank. They all have derivative exposure. I’ve seen estimates of $700 trillion, but I don’t think anyone knows.
I’ve heard it would only cost about $70 BILLION to guarantee every U.S. child a college education. Does that sound about right to you? I don’t have a link.
Here are some bonus links for you:
“Demand Leakages: The 800lb Economist in the Room”
“…Demand leakages are unspent income. For a given currency, if any agent doesn’t spend his income, some other agent has to spend more than his income, or that much output doesn’t get sold. So if the non government sectors collectively don’t spend all of their income, it’s up to government to make sure its income is less than its spending, or that much output doesn’t get sold. This translates into what’s commonly called the ‘output gap,’ which is largely a sanitized way of saying unemployment….”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/warren-mosler/demand-leakages-the-800lb_b_1646916.html
Here’s a link to lost output since 2008. http://lostoutputclock.com/
“Four Reasons to see the (federal) deficit as your surplus”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2014/02/24/deficit-as-your-surplus/
William, since I’m confident you don’t want the elites getting rich off of the global war on terror, what about a cap (say $5,000,000/year) on all incomes during war/AUMF enabled actions? Should we call that “conscripting the .00001% ?
William,
“Done what?”
Please be specific.
William,
Since you claim to be a conservative, does that mean you want to end the job-killing-government regulations against marijuana?
Also, is this you? http://www.malloygroup.com/wfmalloy.htm
William,
If you don’t consider yourself a conservative why did you write this at
“…If a conservative would have done that, there would be a ban thrown down.
But if it weren’t for double standards, BB wouldn’t have standards at all.”
#thiswillbegood
William, do you think government should have the power to compel a woman to bear a child she does not want?
William’s playing dodgeball, because he forgot what he (or someone else who uses the William Malloy handle (lmao) wrote)
If you don’t consider yourself a conservative why did you write this at
“…If a conservative would have done that, there would be a ban thrown down.
But if it weren’t for double standards, BB wouldn’t have standards at all.”
William are you and Denis the same commenter? What about independent guy? Remember, if you share a handle, you have to remember to read the other guy’s comments!
If you’re against abortion, go save some babies. Contract with an ob/gyn and the mother to adopt the fetus. You pay for the neo-natal care. You find good parents who will adopt the fetus. The reason no one respects the forced birth movement is that you all are so L-A-Z-Y.
William, aka Denis, aka independent guy…,
Based on your latest, I’m guessing you’ve contracted to get paid by one of the wingnut welfare groups, Americans Against Prosperity, maybe a dumbtank, the Hoover Institute, Hudson Institute… whatever, to get compensation per comment.
That’s the only way I can explain you’re trying to hold onto the William Malloy handle. Your employer won’t compensate you without it. Since your comments are so short, I’m assuming you don’t get paid by the word.
Please, tell me I’m wrong. Tell me you’re not being compensated to comment at Blogging Blue.
Now you’re claiming to be a victim. Did you cry after reading my comments? Do you cry often? Did you reach out to get hugs and affirmation from friends and family? Should we be concerned about your mental health? Do you frequently play the victim-card? Have you been on other blogs where you felt like a victim? If so, please link to those comments. If not, will you confirm that this is your first experience of being the victim on a blog?
William, make up your mind. Are you a victim or not? You’re digging on your claim that you’re being bullied at the same time you state that I have not hurt your feelings. Rank the top five statements I wrote that you claim caused you to feel bullied. If you want to rank more than five, that’s great.
Have you considered support groups to help you with your claims that you have feelings that others are bullying you? Have you considered a header along with all your comments, that you’re extremely sensitive and any responses to you should be gentle and affirming?
W/R/T your favorite Wisconsin blogs, please name them, along with the handle you use to comment under them.
If you want to throw in your favorite national blogs, that’s a bonus.
Have you contributed money to Blogging Blue? This place doesn’t run on air. Servers and software cost money. Zach’s gotta contribution page. Since you think it’s a “two-bit blog,” why don’t you help him out? If you’re not going to support the blog, why not? If you’re not going to give money, how about an apology to Zach for insulting his place?
If you’re not going to apologize, at least offer some constructive criticism. Why do you maintain that it’s a two-bit blog? Is it the shortage of women writers? Is it the shortage LBGT writers? Is it the shortage of minority writers?
I like the place, it’s a clean interface, that’s easy to use. There are a lot of smart people here and I always learn a lot. I think Zach does a helluva job. And just to be clear, if you feel bullied by that, it’s your problem.
If you’re not being compensated what are you doing here? For what do you stand? What policies or agendas do you support?
Thanks in advance.
William,
If you’re a progressive, why did you write this:
“If a conservative would have done that, there would be a ban thrown down.
But if it weren’t for double standards, BB wouldn’t have standards at all.”
This is the second time I’ve asked. The first time you ignored it.
William,
ideals are fine, but cash works better. If you’re concerned that Zach’s not treating phony conservatives who show up here, fairly, then why won’t you send him $50 and apologize for your insults?
You’re dead wrong btw, Zach, to his credit, shows infinite patience with the anti-labor wingnuts who frequent BB.
Have you been to Cog_Dis? There are some tensions between the two blogs, but I like Capper a lot. He’s got excellent sources and breaks a lot of news.
Why do you refuse to even name the Wisconsin blogs you claim are better?
Conservatives and liberals agree on prosecuting Wall Street CEO’s, ending the foreign occupations, and legalizing marijuana.
Vos said the same thing about the owners’ of the Bucks being long time Democrats and tying state support, or lack of it, for a new stadium to that. He said it almost the same way, that he is going to remember it if they come to the state.
“Whatever may be the limitations which trammel inquiry elsewhere, we believe that the great State University of Wisconsin should ever encourage that continual and fearless sifting and winnowing by which alone the truth may be found.” Unless, of course, it runs counter to the interests of the Speaker of the State Assembly.
Mark- ….or the interests that have bought off Robbin’ Vos.
You get the idea Vos is spending his entire adult life getting back at the people who laughed him out of HS for being an obnoxious, mediocre dweeb?
What is the precedent for the President visiting Madison. Obviously with 3 consecutive two term presidents
one would have to go back several decades and comparisons may not be valid. For my part encouraging the involvement of young people into the political process does not seem like a bad idea.
You don’t have to go to a 2 year old article to show how spiteful and petty he is. He is doing damage right now.
Now he is threatening the Buck’s owner!
Robin Vos: Bucks owner’s Democratic support could chill lawmakers on sports arena
http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/steven_elbow/robin-vos-bucks-owner-s-democratic-support-could-chill-lawmakers/article_eb2c8af2-fccd-5d30-a17a-ed28a2ae9a10.html
Thanks for the link and from that link (for those readers whose only argument to defend Vos is to attempt to personally insult other commenters who actually bring facts or logical arguments to the discussion, i.e. 630K population within easy traveling distance of the Capitol) the crux of the petulant whiner and career bully Robin’s schtick.
Aside from the CapTimes perpetual creative writing failure to ever find an adjective besides, “liberal,” to pigeon-hole groups like One WI Now (hints CT–social justice, citizen watchdog, investigative journalist or omit the term “liberal,” all together), we as a state don’t have a present or elect state Attorney General who would see anything untoward about Vos in this incident and backing AG apathy is the fully purchased and proven GOP partisan majority, WI Supreme Court. Vos is free to flip the bird to anyone with impunity, no checks and balances.
Robin Vos, role model extraordinaire for petty hate, revenge, extortion for political favors and intentionally furthering partisan divisiveness.
JC I read your comment in the land of no reply buttons, wondering what would one need to bring three separate identities and not immediately draw suspicion? Maybe three separate digital device ID’s, say maybe a business computer, a home computer and, OH! that apology last week for typing errors (not yet used to using the brand new smart phone keyboard) just before this latest “contributor,” to BB appeared?
“If I had ever been here before
On another time around the wheel
I would probably know just how to deal
With all of you…”
nonquixote,
Bravo on the “land of no replies.”
That’s a great line.
I think it’s possible some social media geniuses decided that you and I are the “left wing” of Blogging Blue. LMAO. If you’re buying any of that speculation (and that’s all it is), it’s possible they could be from Sen. Clinton’s advance team.
William writes as though someone is looking over his shoulder. Another guess is that they value having long term handles. They probably think it’s harder to influence a blog making “drive-bys” with temporary handles.
William, however, started off as a conservative, and now he’s claiming he’s a progressive. You can’t make this stuff up. It’s actually pretty entertaining.
Thanks for the CSNY.