I made to the 8:33 mark….. That was all I could take. Medicare for everybody? Nice way to put it Keith. That sounds even more scary than saying public option. Remind me again which “Insurance” denies the most claims? He fails to point out that this Medicare for everybody will put private insurance out of business thus leaving us only one option. If KO thinks his dads care sucked now, wait until everybody has the same policy.
Tell me this…. If this is so cut and dry, why all the secrecy? Why don’t we have a real written bill? Why don’t they want the public to read what they do have? Why do they feel the need to push something through on the back of another bill? WHY THE SECRECY?? If this stuff is so fantastic, why are they so afraid of the public finding out?
Dammit….
Why are there democrats that haven’t signed on? If this is soooooo great, why haven’t the democrats just rammed it down our throats with their own votes??? WHY??
Dammit……….
The fact that the dems haven’t just rammed it thus far is proof that the people who want this are in the minority.
DAMMIT!!!!!
E-
Bills come from committees and the House has three bills from three committees in play that need to be reconciled. I think the Senate has one in play at the moment. All of them are variations on a theme from the Kennedy Healthcare Plan. There is not one bill to review as they are still ‘making the sausage’.
Many Republicans and Democrats AGREE with the need for healthcare reform and disagree on the content of healthcare reform. For example, I support a national healthcare program but do not support any of the current bills as they stand today.
SOME Republicans HATE the idea that poor people and middle class people might be able to have the same healthcare (as they currently have) without paying for it. They wish to punish those who do not have, or have lost, the ability to pay for their own healthcare.
SOME Democrats want SINGLE PAYER SYSTEMS and President Obama does not.
Some Republicans and some Democrats don’t want the increased costs of any government healthcare program for the poor or the illegal aliens.
Some Republicans think that national healthcare equals socialism and that socialism is bad for America.
Every one of those groups is telling us what they don’t want and they are misrepresenting or misstating or mis-prophecying what the future of national healthcare will be.
What you hear and read from pundits must be tested for truthfulness before acceptance.
There are intelligent and deeply committed people trying to develop a sane national healthcare plan. There are four times as many people committed to thwarting it or to changing it or to preventing Democrats from taking credit for it.
That is why there is nothing in place at the moment.
You need to look further in to the future that what the authors of the various bills and what is being reported. If there is a public option put in place, it WILL lead to a single payer system. Private insurers can’t compete with an endless (or seemingly endless) supply of money, They will go under. As stated in HR3200, if you lose insurance or there is a change in policy, you will be force to go on the government plan. This will eventually lead to a large amount of the population being force on the plan. This bothers me. The Baucus(sp) Bill mandates insurance in it’s present form. If I’m worth 200 million, do you really think I need to be on this plan?
SOME Republicans HATE the idea that poor people and middle class people might be able to have the same healthcare (as they currently have) without paying for it.
That is flat out false PB….. You would never be able to substantiate that because it’s false… Leave this kind of opinion out please.
The majority of Americans are happy with the insurance they have. An overhaul of the nature that the dems want is unnecessary and foolish and would be digging the whole of debt we are in now even deeper. There needs to be a fix but these plan aren’t it. These people need to sit down and rationally discus what’s needed to be done with the people who are in the industry and they can’t put a time limit on it. If it’s not done by Thanksgiving, we’ll survive. I heard a great analogy today…. if your car is making a noise and out of warranty, do you want the mechanic to diagnose the problem and fix it or do you want him just to replace the engine without knowing what’s wrong? This needs to be do by the healthcare and insurance professionals, not 536 dimwits in government. The dimwits can observe and learn then if they are needed to implement something on a governmental level they can.
About Obama not wanting a single payer system… You really need to research that a little better. he’s said all along that it’s his goal… It might take 15 or 20 years but that’s what his goals are….. That’s paraphrased but it was said…. More than once.
LOL.
You wrote:The majority of Americans are happy with the insurance they have. An overhaul of the nature that the dems want is unnecessary and foolish and would be digging the whole of debt we are in now even deeper. There needs to be a fix but these plan aren’t it. These people need to sit down and rationally discus what’s needed to be done with the people who are in the industry and they can’t put a time limit on it. If it’s not done by Thanksgiving, we’ll survive.
The ‘majority’,eh? As in 51% of the people who have insurance? So the minority who cannot afford health insurance should just shut up and be satisfied that the more affluent have insurance they like? What kind of logic is that? And those who develop chronic diseases should just suck it up when their insurance companies drop them? And then how about that 62% of personal bankruptcies caused by excessive medical costs? Should they just suck it up because you are happy with what you have? The only ‘happy’ ones are those who have not yet had any significant medical problems. Ask around.
and your second point: ‘An overhaul of the nature that the dems want is unnecessary and foolish and would be digging the whole (sic) of debt we are in now even deeper.’
Do I hear you correctly that it is better to have chronically ill people, diseased and infirm, rather than use the wealth of the country to help them? Let me see, 1000 military bases around the world is better than helping sick people? Billions for Commerce and Industry but none for the people? If people die for lack of healthcare,so be it if it keeps America strong? These are the values you hold?
And this point: These people need to sit down and rationally discuss what’s needed to be done with the people who are in the industry and they can’t put a time limit on it.
The AMA appears to support a national plan, so too, the nurses, the poor,and the insurance-rejected. All of them appear to be in the industry you speak of. But you have been led to believe that the healthcare world consists of two things: insurance and/or single payer systems. So you say that insurance industry professionals and healthcare prefessionals need to work this out. You are, of course, referring to the same ones who do it now and have been doing it for decades.The professionals that cut off the wrong legs, perform unnecessary diagnostic tests and surgeries, and don’t cover domestic violence issues, plus have caps on the amount of insurance claims they will pay out. These people are the industry ones you speak of?
E- we only agree on one point, namely that the profferred plans are the wrong ones. I want to see more diversity and less foisting of insurance plans on everybody.
Americans need a coherent, cohesive, and comprehensive national healthcare approach. One that is portable and not job-oriented, one that eliminates the phrase “pre-existing condition”, one that protects decent middle class Americans from bankruptcy, one that provides preventive healthcare instead of corrective healthcare, one that says the life of a poor man is the same as the life of a rich man, and one that says that regardless of your economic condition you have a right within society to lead a life without pain and debilitating diseases provided that society has the means to provide this to you.
When a Republican says we cannot afford national healthcare, he is saying that he prefers that only those who can afford to have it ought to have it. A witholding of services, when society has the means to provide them, establishes true death panels and a rationing of healthcare for those who cannot afford it. When money becomes the tool of discrimination and is employed against the lives and health of other human beings, it is an immorality that none should abide.
you can’t possibily be this stupid!!!
Like i can’t find oodles of horrific healthcare stories in our current system?
guess you’d rather have the devil you know than any chance at something better. Great..thats your call.
But don’t expect others to follow such stupidity!
Something better???? I asked specific questions about these health care bills and this is you response? My you need to look up the definition of stupidity AL. Go back to my previous comments and READ them and try to answer them. Answer them using some sort of logic if you think you can possibly muster some up….
I made to the 8:33 mark….. That was all I could take. Medicare for everybody? Nice way to put it Keith. That sounds even more scary than saying public option. Remind me again which “Insurance” denies the most claims? He fails to point out that this Medicare for everybody will put private insurance out of business thus leaving us only one option. If KO thinks his dads care sucked now, wait until everybody has the same policy.
Tell me this…. If this is so cut and dry, why all the secrecy? Why don’t we have a real written bill? Why don’t they want the public to read what they do have? Why do they feel the need to push something through on the back of another bill? WHY THE SECRECY?? If this stuff is so fantastic, why are they so afraid of the public finding out?
Dammit….
Why are there democrats that haven’t signed on? If this is soooooo great, why haven’t the democrats just rammed it down our throats with their own votes??? WHY??
Dammit……….
The fact that the dems haven’t just rammed it thus far is proof that the people who want this are in the minority.
DAMMIT!!!!!
E-
Bills come from committees and the House has three bills from three committees in play that need to be reconciled. I think the Senate has one in play at the moment. All of them are variations on a theme from the Kennedy Healthcare Plan. There is not one bill to review as they are still ‘making the sausage’.
Many Republicans and Democrats AGREE with the need for healthcare reform and disagree on the content of healthcare reform. For example, I support a national healthcare program but do not support any of the current bills as they stand today.
SOME Republicans HATE the idea that poor people and middle class people might be able to have the same healthcare (as they currently have) without paying for it. They wish to punish those who do not have, or have lost, the ability to pay for their own healthcare.
SOME Democrats want SINGLE PAYER SYSTEMS and President Obama does not.
Some Republicans and some Democrats don’t want the increased costs of any government healthcare program for the poor or the illegal aliens.
Some Republicans think that national healthcare equals socialism and that socialism is bad for America.
Every one of those groups is telling us what they don’t want and they are misrepresenting or misstating or mis-prophecying what the future of national healthcare will be.
What you hear and read from pundits must be tested for truthfulness before acceptance.
There are intelligent and deeply committed people trying to develop a sane national healthcare plan. There are four times as many people committed to thwarting it or to changing it or to preventing Democrats from taking credit for it.
That is why there is nothing in place at the moment.
You need to look further in to the future that what the authors of the various bills and what is being reported. If there is a public option put in place, it WILL lead to a single payer system. Private insurers can’t compete with an endless (or seemingly endless) supply of money, They will go under. As stated in HR3200, if you lose insurance or there is a change in policy, you will be force to go on the government plan. This will eventually lead to a large amount of the population being force on the plan. This bothers me. The Baucus(sp) Bill mandates insurance in it’s present form. If I’m worth 200 million, do you really think I need to be on this plan?
SOME Republicans HATE the idea that poor people and middle class people might be able to have the same healthcare (as they currently have) without paying for it.
That is flat out false PB….. You would never be able to substantiate that because it’s false… Leave this kind of opinion out please.
The majority of Americans are happy with the insurance they have. An overhaul of the nature that the dems want is unnecessary and foolish and would be digging the whole of debt we are in now even deeper. There needs to be a fix but these plan aren’t it. These people need to sit down and rationally discus what’s needed to be done with the people who are in the industry and they can’t put a time limit on it. If it’s not done by Thanksgiving, we’ll survive. I heard a great analogy today…. if your car is making a noise and out of warranty, do you want the mechanic to diagnose the problem and fix it or do you want him just to replace the engine without knowing what’s wrong? This needs to be do by the healthcare and insurance professionals, not 536 dimwits in government. The dimwits can observe and learn then if they are needed to implement something on a governmental level they can.
About Obama not wanting a single payer system… You really need to research that a little better. he’s said all along that it’s his goal… It might take 15 or 20 years but that’s what his goals are….. That’s paraphrased but it was said…. More than once.
LOL.
You wrote:The majority of Americans are happy with the insurance they have. An overhaul of the nature that the dems want is unnecessary and foolish and would be digging the whole of debt we are in now even deeper. There needs to be a fix but these plan aren’t it. These people need to sit down and rationally discus what’s needed to be done with the people who are in the industry and they can’t put a time limit on it. If it’s not done by Thanksgiving, we’ll survive.
The ‘majority’,eh? As in 51% of the people who have insurance? So the minority who cannot afford health insurance should just shut up and be satisfied that the more affluent have insurance they like? What kind of logic is that? And those who develop chronic diseases should just suck it up when their insurance companies drop them? And then how about that 62% of personal bankruptcies caused by excessive medical costs? Should they just suck it up because you are happy with what you have? The only ‘happy’ ones are those who have not yet had any significant medical problems. Ask around.
and your second point: ‘An overhaul of the nature that the dems want is unnecessary and foolish and would be digging the whole (sic) of debt we are in now even deeper.’
Do I hear you correctly that it is better to have chronically ill people, diseased and infirm, rather than use the wealth of the country to help them? Let me see, 1000 military bases around the world is better than helping sick people? Billions for Commerce and Industry but none for the people? If people die for lack of healthcare,so be it if it keeps America strong? These are the values you hold?
And this point: These people need to sit down and rationally discuss what’s needed to be done with the people who are in the industry and they can’t put a time limit on it.
The AMA appears to support a national plan, so too, the nurses, the poor,and the insurance-rejected. All of them appear to be in the industry you speak of. But you have been led to believe that the healthcare world consists of two things: insurance and/or single payer systems. So you say that insurance industry professionals and healthcare prefessionals need to work this out. You are, of course, referring to the same ones who do it now and have been doing it for decades.The professionals that cut off the wrong legs, perform unnecessary diagnostic tests and surgeries, and don’t cover domestic violence issues, plus have caps on the amount of insurance claims they will pay out. These people are the industry ones you speak of?
E- we only agree on one point, namely that the profferred plans are the wrong ones. I want to see more diversity and less foisting of insurance plans on everybody.
Americans need a coherent, cohesive, and comprehensive national healthcare approach. One that is portable and not job-oriented, one that eliminates the phrase “pre-existing condition”, one that protects decent middle class Americans from bankruptcy, one that provides preventive healthcare instead of corrective healthcare, one that says the life of a poor man is the same as the life of a rich man, and one that says that regardless of your economic condition you have a right within society to lead a life without pain and debilitating diseases provided that society has the means to provide this to you.
When a Republican says we cannot afford national healthcare, he is saying that he prefers that only those who can afford to have it ought to have it. A witholding of services, when society has the means to provide them, establishes true death panels and a rationing of healthcare for those who cannot afford it. When money becomes the tool of discrimination and is employed against the lives and health of other human beings, it is an immorality that none should abide.
Why do they have to do this:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/07/congress%E2%80%99-secret-plan-to-pass-obamacare-confirmed/
Because everything but tax bills need a cloture vote of 60 and there are a couple Democrats doing the wrong thing. That is why.
This is what you want???
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218927/Plumber-shattered-arm-left-horrifically-bent-shape-operation-cancelled-times.html#ixzz0TMFn8yTp
E
you can’t possibily be this stupid!!!
Like i can’t find oodles of horrific healthcare stories in our current system?
guess you’d rather have the devil you know than any chance at something better. Great..thats your call.
But don’t expect others to follow such stupidity!
Something better???? I asked specific questions about these health care bills and this is you response? My you need to look up the definition of stupidity AL. Go back to my previous comments and READ them and try to answer them. Answer them using some sort of logic if you think you can possibly muster some up….