Watch as Andy Parker, the father of slain WDBJ reporter Alison Parker, makes an impassioned plea for gun control while speaking on Fox News.
As I write this, there have been 8,736 gun deaths in the United States this year.
That’s an absolute travesty, and something needs to be done about it.
No don’t blame your psycho racist son, blame guns!
You might want to re-read my post, because you seem confused.
Yes, let us not let crazy people get guns. The problem is identifying “crazy”. The perpetrator here was much like your standard BB commenter – had an axe to grind with normal white Americans, sees racism everywhere, constantly angry etc…
Yes, I would support legislation to take guns away from progressives.
Start right out by trying to make a point and immediately contracting yourself. Clever by half, but not humorous, effective, logical or even satirical, but while racism is pernicious, ingrained and multi-layered and cloaked, racial bigots are still pretty easy to spot. “Normal,” white Americans as you put them, needs a much better definition to distinguish who they are than what you’ve offered.
You’ve undoubtedly heard that dozens of retail sales clerks are organizing at several prominent national sporting good chain stores and are refusing to sell firearms and ammo, fearing they might be breaking that prominent religious commandment, “thou shalt not kill.”
h/t John Peterson
Not sure what “contracting” oneself entails. Sounds like something that might happen during childbirth. I don’t have the biological parts for such an act. Or is it a contract one makes with oneself, sort of like a resolution? Certainly you didn’t mean “contradiction” as I did no such thing. Maybe the best clue is the first sentence of your 9:24 comment.
I would argue “contracting” oneself entails the slow and deliberate sickening of ones mind and body through the act of intentionally exposing oneself to Fox News. The side effects of which include but are not limited to diarrhea of the mouth, delusions and an exaggerated sense of self worth. Thankfully, it cannot be contracted by those of rational thought and seems to be on the decline nationally. Especially, in Kentucky were one a County Clerk was separated from society until her symptoms pass.
I am the first to admit I am not much of a writer, but I do try to learn from some of the best and the best commentary on this incident comes from just south of the state border and the brilliant Allison Hantschel. No holds barred insight about describing certain not infrequent enough,perfectly recognizable BB “commentators.”
http://first-draft.com/2015/08/26/congratulations-racists-and-assholes-its-fucking-christmas-for-you/
I’ve tried to be patient with Denis, but his first comment truly was idiotic. By the way, BB could also mean the (thankfully) defunct Badger Blogger site. Now that was the place to go for Denis… no nonsense nonsense the rule of the day.
What a convincing argument Other, the reliable ad hominem. Well done.
You silly person, Denis. I wasn’t arguing with you. Your fact free ad hominem attack against BB commentaries was what I was replying to. Normally I enjoy crossing swords with you … I’ve defended you … that comment deserved the “idiotic” tag.
Why is it when a four year old black kid is gunned down it’s an investigation but when a police officer gets gunned down it’s a manhunt and hundreds of state, county and local cops participate. Maybe if we treated all gun crimes the same we would see a reduction in the violence.
Growing up in an area as a black child exposed me to all sorts of violence some of it gun related but more often it was plain fists or bats. That is besides the point of my reply. The reason that there are no manhunts is mainly due to the fact that the African American population in the inner city doesn’t much care if one of their own hurts another one of us. It is a sad but regretably true statement.
The problem is not so much the disparity of resources used to catch criminals but the punishments meted thereafter. And per usual, the lefts philosophy of blaming guns, poverty, lack of jobs, global warming and changing etc… rather than individuals for their behavior inevitably leads to weaker punishment and subsequently, more crime.
Denis, the problem also exists between the catching and the punishment. John Chisholm’s prosecutorial discretion is quickly making Milwaukee the murder (and other crime) capitol of the country.
I’m glad you acknowledge “the disparity of resources used to catch criminals”. With that said let me address the ridiculous first. I’m assuming you’re referring to Obama’s Coast Guard commencement speech when stating “The lefts philosophy of blaming”… “global warming and changing”. Here’s what Obama said “Understand, climate change did not cause the conflicts we see around the world, what we also know is that severe drought helped create the instability that was exploited by the terrorist group Boko Haram”. So, can you read?… “did not cause”. Besides you’re reaching. This has nothing to do with violent crime in America. I will also add, you are being left behind by your party. Climate change/global warming has been conceded by many on the “right”. Here’s a short list: Jon Huntsman, Olivia Snowe, Tim Pawlenty, Chris Smith, Lamar Alexander, John McCain, Orrin Hatch, Rand Paul, Mark Kirk, Dean Heller, Carly Fiorina, Chris Christie, Lindsey Graham and Mike Huckabee. Notice how I put Republican Presidential candidates at the end.
Aristotle said “poverty is the parent of crime”. There have been hundreds of studies conducted around the world addressing the correlation between poverty and violent crime. The vast majority have proven a correlation exists. Teenagers and young adults growing up in households who’s earnings were among the bottom fifth are seven times more likely to be convicted of violent crimes and twice as likely to be convicted of drug offenses as those in the top fifth. I would argue those who are experiencing the lack of jobs, especially in the inner city of Milwaukee where the unemployment rate is almost 30% are also those experiencing poverty. It’s no wonder the violent crime rate is higher there. Guns just happened to be the most effective weapon of choice. To choose guns over human life is absolutely irresponsible.
If you and others, not all, on the “right” continue to ignore statistical data and proven studies you will once again be on the wrong side of history. Your rant reminds me of the last presidential election where Fox news and other Republican commentators were saying don’t believe the polling data Mitt Romney will win. When study after study, poll after poll all show the same results and you fail to see it can’t be blamed on the left. It’s your problem, you personally are failing to see the numbers. You personally are ignoring the facts. People like you are the problem and deserve the blame.
WB, thank you for your excellent examples of logical fallacies. This can be a teachable moment.
Let us start with your straw man argument. You assumed, and made an ass out of only yourself, that I was referencing a speech by President Obama. You created an argument that I did not advance, then refuted it, then claimed victory. This is a logical flaw, not to mention not nice. It reminds me of the time that you suggested that pedophilia was good for kids. You are one sick puppy WB. Children should be able to enjoy their innocence and explore their sexuality when they are more mature.
Also a fine example of the cum hoc fallacy which suggests that, because correlation exists, causation does as well. While there is no doubt that poverty and crime are highly correlated in many cultures, it is a mistake to conclude that poverty causes or leads to crime. I would posit that crime is more likely to cause poverty insofar as employers are understandably reluctant to hire violent felons, said felons spend time behind bars not earning money etc… By the way, I suspect a relevant degree of correlation between young black men wearing plain white t-shirts and criminal activity. Could we lower the crime rate by banning white t-shirts?
I share this information hoping that you would like to advance logical arguments in the future. I will assume no such motive on your part for obvious reasons.
In addition to being a prime example of a personal attack on or name calling of a fellow commenter, DN’s lengthy reply here and elsewhere attempts to change (known as “hijacking”) the subject from the grieving father of the slain journalist gun control efforts to one of his own.
The typical modus operandi of a troll is one of personal attacks or slander if you will and to dissemble the efstablished topic or argument. Some favor one over the other to entice or compel a reply.
Au contraire Duane. I have stayed on subject and have tried to bring the conversation back to the topic. I started by agreeing that we should stop “crazy” people from purchasing guns, but noted that that the “crazy” in question showed a remarkable similarity to progressives, a group that typically coddles criminals while enabling them via a philosophy that blames at least in part external forces for criminal behavior. Taking on your philosophy and demonstrating the harm it produces is a first step towards a lower crime rate. I am sure that my common sense arguments won’t change the thinking or behavior of the progressives, but if I could just save one person from your destructive way of thinking, it will have been worth it.
DN,
Sorry, I don’t condone pedophilia. You must have me confused with your Daddy. However, I have no problem making you my bitch. Oh, wait… I already did. It’s not my responsibility to provide links showing proof. If your to fucking lazy, stupid and blind to do research and interpret it on your own thats your problem. Correlation, causation and hundreds of studies show the truth. You are part of the problem not the solution. Oh and by the way, the only plain white clothes being worn are that ridiculous white hood and robe you wear at your “meetings”. Cowards like you always hide behind hoods or fake screen names. To advance logical arguments… FUCK OFF!
Oh my. Let me guess. You think you are tolerant and civil. Perhaps you should take a time out.
I am enjoying the irony of someone using the name Waukesha Blue accusing me, using my first and last name, of using a fake screen name.
What kind of name is Waukesha Blue anyway? Your first name sounds vaguely native American, like Elizabeth, or Warren. Any relation to the great baseball player Vida Blue? Now that guy could throw a fastball. You on the other hand seem more suited for slow pitch.
I am not tolerant of ignorance and civility flew out the window when you accused me of supporting pedophilia. I haven’t hijacked someone else’s name and I don’t have to hide. Please feel free to stop by the Waukesha, Wi police department. Ask the nice lady behind the glass if you can speak with me. You can ask for me using my screen name. I believe you will then understand “what kind of name” I have. We can talk about that time out. Hows that for a slow pitch?
Waukesha Blue, I too reject insinuation; it is just another form of name-calling and a diversion from the topic.
Such loss of civility in the discussion on an important topic by a father who lost his daughter due to senseless violence is unacceptable.
I am willing to take a share of the responsibility for the break down in civility and offer an apology to all.
If that olive branch was extended any in my direction, I accept. I understand and appreciate the passion involved while discussing difficult topics. I will continue to challenge the progressive philosophy – not to be mean or a troll or needlessly argumentative – rather because I actually believe the philosophy espoused on this site is genuinely harmful to individuals and society as a whole.
Denis, let’s hear your version of “progressive philosophy.” You don’t, however, get to pontificate. Back up any statement you make with a link.
Denis, Jim, whoever you are, you wrote, “It reminds me of the time that you suggested that pedophilia was good for kids.”
In God we trust. All others bring links.
Here’s an example.
“Charles Kuehn
December 7, 2014 at 9:43 pm · Reply
Ed,
The fellow who is posting as “Denis Navatril” and at least two other identities here has, by his repeated use of several key phrases (“Wow, just wow.”; “Seriously ___, get some help.”; “. . . so I will spell it out for you . . .”; others too numerous to mention), convinced me he is the same troll posting as “Jim Halpert” on the news site of WEAU TV, Eau Claire. I suggest going to http://www.weau.com/home and clicking on, among others, any story containing “Walker” in its title. Read any/all comments by Mr. “Halpert.” You will see what I mean.
This individual also posts under several dozen other names on WEAU’s site, creating a slightly different personality for each, and while his phrasing here is closest to that of Mr. “Halpert,” the signature tone of disrespect and his straw man tactics are readily discernible as coming from the same individual. I’m assuming you can see my email address; if you want a list of the other names this individual uses on WEAU, email me and I will reply with one.
In my opinion, removing this guy from this blog would be beneficial to all concerned. His presence here over the past week or so has gotten you all pretty riled up. I submit that you cannot win an argument with this individual. He will just continue to insult you, divert the discussion, and avoid directly addressing your comments. Please bid him adieu. Thank you.”
http://bloggingblue.com/2014/12/right-to-work-in-the-badger-state/
Bye bye…
John, the stuff I wrote about WB condoning pedophilia was an EXAMPLE of a straw man argument. I don’t have a clue what he/she/ze thinks of pedophilia. It was an extreme example of a straw man argument meant only to illustrate why it is not nice and not logical. The nonsense about my identity is well within tinfoil hat/black helicopter territory. Enjoy the madness.
Bye bye!
We can therefore safely assume then that you are not the person nor the business owner importing child slave labor produced trinkets from India and Africa to profit from at your import store retail outlet, that your alias would suggest as being the case? Simple question, yes or no will adequately suffice. Yes or No? Here and now or stfu.
The topic was needless gun deaths. remember? Solution(s), opinion(s)? Otherwise put a sock in it.
Prediction: The truth hurt someone’s fe-fe s and how dare anyone speak honestly??? Winger outrage and indignation the persecuted ones. /LOL.
You claim you want to stay on the subject of needless gun deaths, yet you introduce once again the subject of my identity, which, once again, could be resolved conclusively if you were to contact me. My phone number is listed. Oddly, you seem to want to have it both ways – denying my true identity on the one hand while denigrating the business practices of a victim of identity theft. Makes no sense but then that is what I have come to expect from you.
Meanwhile, back to the subject. If your reading comprehension came close to matching your bizarre imagination, you would have realized that I have contributed to the debate on the subject. In a nutshell, your ilk has contributed to our crime problem by coddling criminals and espousing a victimhood philosophy wherein outside forces are responsible for failure. You enable a culture of criminality, misogyny, illiteracy, irresponsibility, and dependency. You have enslaved people in poor schools and an even worse mindset. And you do it for votes. And you do it very well. And it leads to the physical deaths of many and the degradation of the remaining that have survived your ongoing attempts to end their lives before birth.
Progressives are not the ones arming themselves in public, rushing to get CC permits, voting for the castle doctrine fear mongering and strapping assault rifles to their backs to scare mothers, babies and the elderly at my local farm market.
So that is what makes YOUR stereotypical “lefty,” crazy, for NOT buying into NRA divide and conquer fear mongering. Thanks for clarifying that for us. You don’t have a loaded pistol or other firearm behind the counter at your store then, to teach others by example what sane and civil behavior is supposed to look like?
You brought your chirping concern trolling for children’s innocence to this forum, so answer my prior question about child slave labor here. No need for me to take that private because you now declare that the issue has suddenly become “inconvenient,” for you here.
Ludicrous fails to describe your attempt to school Blue W about rhetorilogical debate by bombarding him with six ad hominem attacks, insinuations and other assorted verbal abuse. Then you bring the same abusive assertions and accusations about me here. Let me quote your claimed “logical,” assertion from up thread, “You are one sick puppy WB.”
Your buddy’s insertion, accusing Chisholm as being the blame for increased violence in Milwaukee is contrary to everything mentioned in the linked piece. Chisholm requested an outside group to come in, wide-open records and access to the Dept, and evaluate policing, charging of suspects and sentencing in Milwaukee to BETTER understand what was happening. You “both,” should actually read it.
There’s two whole minutes I won’t get back, but if I get three people to sign onto a petition, perhaps a certain someone can be ordered into a court direct competency evaluation.
Holy shit Denis that is some ominous chatter. Pop an extra stern pill this morning?
To get back on subject….
I seem to recall this “crazy guy” had to be removed from his workplace for violent behavior at his dismissal. Therefore, he should have had a “record.” A background check should have prevented him from gun ownership.
But he still could have gone to any gun show and purchased any weapon due to their exception from a background check loophole which one could drive a tank through.
We must require a background check for all gun sales, used or new!
As a gun owner I don’t like this necessity, but it must happen My first used gun was a WW II German 8MM Mauser with which I got my first Whitetail in the freezing Ashland forests as a teenager. I still hunt and own firearms and firmly believe I have that right as long as I meet all applicable purchase and sale laws .
As a responsible gun owner I have no problem being required to purchase insurance, submit to a psychological evaluation, submit to a background check, training program and reevaluation on a yearly bases. If it could aid in saving one innocent life from gun violence then I feel obligated, not required and so should every other gun owner. The question is why don’t they. Why do they hold onto old laws that don’t work and object to adding news ones that might. Sometimes I think some of these people are holding out and actually want to be able to us their guns in a self defense or property protection scenario. The thrill of the kill… Legally!
The most preposterous lie and absolute most venial presumption on record, in this entire blog history.
From the one visitor who should be offering the most solemn and profuse apologies, begging forgiveness and then just going away. Kindly do us all a favor Zach. Thanks in advance.
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