Oh yeah? Well there’s a lot of things that they do in other countries, too. And we’d have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for you kids and that pesky Constitution
I wish President Obama cared as much about my constitutional rights as he does for terrorists and illegal immigrants. Since it has been suggested by those on the left that “illegal” is now tantamount to racism, no one should mind if I drive 85mph (formerly referred to as an illegal speed). And when the cop pulls me over I don’t need to show him my license or even have it (no way that cop can make me “show my papers.”) And when I don’t pay my taxes and the IRS comes calling I will just tell them I am an undocumented taxpayer and they should go away.
Illegal isn’t tantamount to racism; but racial profiling has been ruled unconstitutional by the courts, and how else will law enforcement officers suspect an individual of being an illegal immigrant if they’re not profiling based on skin color?
Your example would be more appropriate if you were pulled over by the police for no reason other than the color of your skin, as is the case in Arizona.
Your example would be more appropriate if you were pulled over by the police for no reason other than the color of your skin, as is the case in Arizona.</blockquote
…a law enforcement official or agency cannot consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.
Just because people keep repeating something doesn’t make it true.
On this week’s “Here and Now” PBS show, Buffalo County farmer John Rosenow employs Mexican labor and said the term “illegal immigrant” is the equivalent of “the n-word.” This is similiar to many signs I see coming from pro-illegal immigration rallies that say things along those lines and “No Human Being is ‘Illegal'”.
Arizona law or not, let’s be clear here: the one word being lost in this debate is ILLEGAL. Those who are pro-illegal like to confuse the argument by crying racism or leaving out the word “illegal.” I am not against LEGAL immigration and I think that process should be made easier, and illegal immigration should be made tougher. Illegal immigrants give legal immigrants a bad name.
I’m not sure why labor unions support the illegal immigration movement, since it undercuts union labor and allows employers to skirt labor laws; laws those same unions would never allow to happen to a fellow citizen. I guess big labor is just showing its true colors once again.
My examples above are very relevant in that if one of our laws is a joke, then all of them are. Let’s be honest about it. If we don’t care about some crossing the border and staying, why do we have customs for people who fly into the country? I wonder if they think they are being profiled unfairly, since they are asked for ID.
“I’m not sure why labor unions support the illegal immigration movement…”
You’re kidding, right? Other than it’s the right thing to do? Let me explain it to you in a self interest mode because I am confident you understand the concept of self interest.
Yes illegal immigrants tend to suppress local wages…to employers that’s the advantage in risking hiring illegal immigrants…so when you legalize them they need to get paid prevailing wages and benefits…all boats rise on the rising tide…the unions can organize them…and they can be persuaded to vote for politicians who are supportive of unions.
Did you really just admit supporting ILLEGAL immigration is the right thing to do?!
Your argument doesn’t make a lot of sense. As long as they are illegal, there is no organizing them. Unless they are hoping to get in good with 2nd generation that is born here and would be legal and would be persuaded to join a union? In any event, unions are following a liberal ideology that is not supporting union principles. So you are saying they are a bunch of sell-outs, no suprise there.
Either way, it is definitely not the right thing to do.
No, I am not suggesting that we support illegal immigration. I am suggesting some kind of normalization of the situation needs to be worked out by everyone concetend. But I would like to see your plan to deport 12 million people without doubling taxes to pay for moving them (which is a surer thing than the doubling you fear from their continued presence), bankrupting law enforcement and very possibly collapsing the economy when we lose both that labor force and consumer group…this isn’t a pulling a rabbit out the hat kinda trick.
“Your argument doesn’t make a lot of sense. As long as they are illegal, there is no organizing them. ”
You missed the part about “so when you legalize them”.
The minute we start cutting corners on anyone’s Constitutional Rights, yours are in jeopardy as well. It’s that proverbial slippery slope!
You mean like the government making everyone buy a private good? That ship has sailed, Ed.
Yeah, too bad that Romney fella thought of it first.
I’m still awed by the way that we brought together the south side Milwaukee community to build a very big new community garden this weekend!
Thank you…. the way this all came together is just unbelievable! But, it’s real. That’s its most wonderful quality. Or among them, anyway. So many little and quite big things came together so perfectly that it just happened. I’m still in a slight daze from the sheer success of it.
Jason…how cool!! Love seeing the kids getting involved!
I’m not saying this to be a jerk – just genuinely curious…why the need to use all the wood for the beds? Why not till the soil that’s there?
Perhaps the most important advantage is greatly reduced soil compaction. Plant roots need air. In an ordinary garden, you can’t avoid stepping in the garden bed occasionally when doing your everyday gardening. A properly designed raised bed garden allows you to do all your gardening from the garden path.
Plants can be spaced a little closer together in a raised bed because you don’t need places to step. This increases productivity per square foot of bed and reduces weeding when the plants begin to mature.
Note: Avoid the temptation to crowd your plants. You will still want to use generous plant spacing because your plants will grow much larger in raised beds.
Raised beds tend to drain away excess moisture better than ordinary garden beds. This is another advantage that helps the plant roots to breath. In areas that have saturated soil like Florida and many areas of the South, raised beds may be the only way you can grow many types of plants.
Soil conditions and types can be controlled more efficiently in a raised bed and they can be varied easily from bed to bed. Raised beds are the answer when topsoil is thin.
Water, fertilizer, compost, mulch, etc. can be applied more carefully because they only need to be applied to the garden beds.
Various studies have shown that raised garden beds produce 1.4 to 2 times as much vegetables and flowers per square foot as ordinary beds, due mainly to the above advantages. You can have a smaller and more manageable garden that produces more goodies for your table.
Thanks Zach, I guess that makes sense – at least for you guys and your fancy city gardens. For us country folk – we dig a hole or till up the ground & throw seeds in. Maximizing production isn’t so important – we want to grow more stuff, we just till up more ground. Soil compacting has never been a problem – just never found it that hard to watch where I step. Now rabbits on the other hand…they’re a problem. 🙁
Yeah, critters are always a problem, no matter where you live.
As for maximizing production, there’s some fascinating and truly groundbreaking – no pun intended – stuff going on here in Milwaukee in regards to urban gardening. Will Allen of Growing Power has proposed a 5-story community garden that incorporates agriculture and aquaculture.
That’s a very good question, Locke. I’m glad you asked. What Zach pointed out is true. One thing it didn’t mention is that it’s much, much easier to work with a raised bed than a ground-level bed. With a ground-level bed, you’re hunched over all the time, which ultimately is bad for your back. Or maybe you’re on your hands and knees all the time. It’s uncomfortable either way. At my home gardens, I have a small end table that I sit on while working in the beds. That way I can take my time while working there. You could sit on the edge of the bed, but it’s not very comfortable to sit on a 1″ thick board for very long.
Also, you asked about the soil. In a place like Milwaukee, it’s almost a given that the soil is contaminated. Lead poisoning still occurs when children eat the paint that fell off the walls of old houses. And Milwaukee’s booming industrial days saw a lot of nasty stuff get dumped in the soil and water. The Hide House used to be a tannery, and who knows what they used there! While the lot we built the garden on has apparently never been used or developed on, we’re not going to take a chance with it.
Well all kinds of things I learned today! Guess the soil quality should’ve been obvious… While I’ve always liked community gardens, I obviously didn’t have a true appreciation for just how tough the task was/is – so add my kudos to the rest.
It never occurred to me that there’d be gunk in the dirt till I learned about it. Heck, this whole thing’s been one of the greatest learning experiences I’ve had. To me, the rewards vastly outweigh the difficulties. But thanks!
Oh yeah? Well there’s a lot of things that they do in other countries, too. And we’d have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for you kids and that pesky Constitution
I wish President Obama cared as much about my constitutional rights as he does for terrorists and illegal immigrants. Since it has been suggested by those on the left that “illegal” is now tantamount to racism, no one should mind if I drive 85mph (formerly referred to as an illegal speed). And when the cop pulls me over I don’t need to show him my license or even have it (no way that cop can make me “show my papers.”) And when I don’t pay my taxes and the IRS comes calling I will just tell them I am an undocumented taxpayer and they should go away.
Illegal isn’t tantamount to racism; but racial profiling has been ruled unconstitutional by the courts, and how else will law enforcement officers suspect an individual of being an illegal immigrant if they’re not profiling based on skin color?
Your example would be more appropriate if you were pulled over by the police for no reason other than the color of your skin, as is the case in Arizona.
On this week’s “Here and Now” PBS show, Buffalo County farmer John Rosenow employs Mexican labor and said the term “illegal immigrant” is the equivalent of “the n-word.” This is similiar to many signs I see coming from pro-illegal immigration rallies that say things along those lines and “No Human Being is ‘Illegal'”.
Arizona law or not, let’s be clear here: the one word being lost in this debate is ILLEGAL. Those who are pro-illegal like to confuse the argument by crying racism or leaving out the word “illegal.” I am not against LEGAL immigration and I think that process should be made easier, and illegal immigration should be made tougher. Illegal immigrants give legal immigrants a bad name.
I’m not sure why labor unions support the illegal immigration movement, since it undercuts union labor and allows employers to skirt labor laws; laws those same unions would never allow to happen to a fellow citizen. I guess big labor is just showing its true colors once again.
My examples above are very relevant in that if one of our laws is a joke, then all of them are. Let’s be honest about it. If we don’t care about some crossing the border and staying, why do we have customs for people who fly into the country? I wonder if they think they are being profiled unfairly, since they are asked for ID.
“I’m not sure why labor unions support the illegal immigration movement…”
You’re kidding, right? Other than it’s the right thing to do? Let me explain it to you in a self interest mode because I am confident you understand the concept of self interest.
Yes illegal immigrants tend to suppress local wages…to employers that’s the advantage in risking hiring illegal immigrants…so when you legalize them they need to get paid prevailing wages and benefits…all boats rise on the rising tide…the unions can organize them…and they can be persuaded to vote for politicians who are supportive of unions.
Did you really just admit supporting ILLEGAL immigration is the right thing to do?!
Your argument doesn’t make a lot of sense. As long as they are illegal, there is no organizing them. Unless they are hoping to get in good with 2nd generation that is born here and would be legal and would be persuaded to join a union? In any event, unions are following a liberal ideology that is not supporting union principles. So you are saying they are a bunch of sell-outs, no suprise there.
Either way, it is definitely not the right thing to do.
No, I am not suggesting that we support illegal immigration. I am suggesting some kind of normalization of the situation needs to be worked out by everyone concetend. But I would like to see your plan to deport 12 million people without doubling taxes to pay for moving them (which is a surer thing than the doubling you fear from their continued presence), bankrupting law enforcement and very possibly collapsing the economy when we lose both that labor force and consumer group…this isn’t a pulling a rabbit out the hat kinda trick.
“Your argument doesn’t make a lot of sense. As long as they are illegal, there is no organizing them. ”
You missed the part about “so when you legalize them”.
The minute we start cutting corners on anyone’s Constitutional Rights, yours are in jeopardy as well. It’s that proverbial slippery slope!
You mean like the government making everyone buy a private good? That ship has sailed, Ed.
Yeah, too bad that Romney fella thought of it first.
I’m still awed by the way that we brought together the south side Milwaukee community to build a very big new community garden this weekend!
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bayviewneighborhood/sets/72157623969844726/
Jason, you did some good work this weekend…
Thank you…. the way this all came together is just unbelievable! But, it’s real. That’s its most wonderful quality. Or among them, anyway. So many little and quite big things came together so perfectly that it just happened. I’m still in a slight daze from the sheer success of it.
Jason…how cool!! Love seeing the kids getting involved!
I’m not saying this to be a jerk – just genuinely curious…why the need to use all the wood for the beds? Why not till the soil that’s there?
Here’s some advantages:
Note: Avoid the temptation to crowd your plants. You will still want to use generous plant spacing because your plants will grow much larger in raised beds.
Thanks Zach, I guess that makes sense – at least for you guys and your fancy city gardens. For us country folk – we dig a hole or till up the ground & throw seeds in. Maximizing production isn’t so important – we want to grow more stuff, we just till up more ground. Soil compacting has never been a problem – just never found it that hard to watch where I step. Now rabbits on the other hand…they’re a problem. 🙁
Yeah, critters are always a problem, no matter where you live.
As for maximizing production, there’s some fascinating and truly groundbreaking – no pun intended – stuff going on here in Milwaukee in regards to urban gardening. Will Allen of Growing Power has proposed a 5-story community garden that incorporates agriculture and aquaculture.
That’s a very good question, Locke. I’m glad you asked. What Zach pointed out is true. One thing it didn’t mention is that it’s much, much easier to work with a raised bed than a ground-level bed. With a ground-level bed, you’re hunched over all the time, which ultimately is bad for your back. Or maybe you’re on your hands and knees all the time. It’s uncomfortable either way. At my home gardens, I have a small end table that I sit on while working in the beds. That way I can take my time while working there. You could sit on the edge of the bed, but it’s not very comfortable to sit on a 1″ thick board for very long.
Also, you asked about the soil. In a place like Milwaukee, it’s almost a given that the soil is contaminated. Lead poisoning still occurs when children eat the paint that fell off the walls of old houses. And Milwaukee’s booming industrial days saw a lot of nasty stuff get dumped in the soil and water. The Hide House used to be a tannery, and who knows what they used there! While the lot we built the garden on has apparently never been used or developed on, we’re not going to take a chance with it.
Well all kinds of things I learned today! Guess the soil quality should’ve been obvious… While I’ve always liked community gardens, I obviously didn’t have a true appreciation for just how tough the task was/is – so add my kudos to the rest.
It never occurred to me that there’d be gunk in the dirt till I learned about it. Heck, this whole thing’s been one of the greatest learning experiences I’ve had. To me, the rewards vastly outweigh the difficulties. But thanks!